From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
Cc: Marek Habersack <grendel@caudium.net>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
akpm@osdl.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: thoughts on kernel security issues
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:10:33 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0501131206340.2310@ppc970.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050113200308.GC3555@redhat.com>
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Dave Jones wrote:
>
> When issues get leaked, the incentive for a researcher to use the
> same process again goes away, which hurts us. Basically, trying
> to keep them happy is in our best interests.
Not so.
_balancing_ their happiness with our needs is what's in our best
interests. Yes, we should encourage them to tell us, but totally bending
over backwards is definitely the wrong thing to do.
In fact, right now we seem to encourage even people who do _not_
necessarily want the delay and secrecy to go over to vendor-sec, just
because the vendor-sec people are clearly arguing even against
alternatives.
Which is something I do not understand. The _apologia_ for vendor-sec is
absolutely stunning. Even if there are people who want to only interface
with a fascist vendor-sec-style absolute secrecy list, THAT IS NOT AN
EXCUSE TO NOT HAVE OPEN LISTS IN _ADDITION_!
In other words, I really don't understand this total subjugation by people
to the vendor-sec mentaliy. It's a disease, I tell you.
Linus
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Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-12 17:48 thoughts on kernel security issues Chris Wright
2005-01-12 15:06 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-12 18:49 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 18:44 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 18:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 19:21 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 20:59 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-12 21:27 ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 18:51 ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 19:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 16:12 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-12 20:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 17:42 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13 15:36 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:22 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13 21:20 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:52 ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 19:42 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:19 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 20:44 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-14 10:22 ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-01-14 12:10 ` Julian T. J. Midgley
2005-01-14 14:52 ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-14 15:12 ` Julian T. J. Midgley
2005-01-15 0:33 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-14 13:55 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:50 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 20:29 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:41 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 20:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:15 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 22:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:02 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 21:30 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 21:48 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 22:06 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 22:21 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 23:30 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-15 0:34 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-15 2:56 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-01-13 20:03 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 20:10 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2005-01-13 19:27 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 21:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:25 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 22:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 23:15 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 18:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-14 19:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 22:13 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-14 22:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-15 0:34 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-15 4:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-15 5:36 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-18 22:27 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-19 2:34 ` Alban Browaeys
2005-01-19 19:13 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-13 20:32 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-12 20:27 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 20:57 ` Greg KH
2005-01-13 15:36 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-12 21:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-12 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 18:03 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13 3:18 ` Christian
2005-01-12 20:53 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-12 20:59 ` Greg KH
2005-01-13 2:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 2:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13 2:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 3:05 ` David Blomberg
2005-01-13 2:56 ` Greg KH
2005-01-13 3:01 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 3:35 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 3:42 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13 3:54 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 4:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13 6:54 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13 7:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13 7:25 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13 4:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 5:51 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13 7:28 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13 7:42 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-13 8:02 ` David Lang
2005-01-13 10:05 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-13 8:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 16:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 16:12 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 17:49 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 18:53 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 18:59 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-13 19:22 ` Norbert van Nobelen
2005-01-13 19:35 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-13 19:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 19:57 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-14 12:39 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-14 15:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 15:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-14 15:57 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-14 16:17 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-15 0:33 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 17:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 17:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 18:31 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 10:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 17:20 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 17:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 18:35 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 18:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 19:46 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 19:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-20 8:46 ` [Lists-linux-kernel-news] " Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 8:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 10:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 18:16 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-20 18:53 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-20 18:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-20 19:17 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-20 19:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-20 21:24 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 17:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 18:50 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 19:47 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 19:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 20:44 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 20:12 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 20:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 21:03 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 22:02 ` Splitting up grsecurity and PAX (was " Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 20:47 ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-25 15:05 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-25 15:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 17:27 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-25 18:01 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 18:37 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 18:57 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-01-25 19:56 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 20:25 ` J. Bruce Fields
2005-01-25 20:29 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 20:46 ` J. Bruce Fields
2005-01-25 20:53 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-25 20:59 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 21:05 ` linux-os
2005-01-25 21:20 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 15:15 ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-26 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-26 19:15 ` Olaf Hering
2005-01-26 19:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-26 19:38 ` Olaf Hering
2005-01-26 19:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-30 15:39 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-26 19:24 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 19:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-27 16:37 ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-27 17:18 ` Zan Lynx
2005-01-27 22:18 ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-27 23:20 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-27 23:36 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-28 0:23 ` linux-os
2005-01-28 0:15 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-01-26 0:01 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-26 0:40 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 19:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 20:03 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 21:17 ` Al Viro
2005-01-26 16:06 ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-26 19:31 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 19:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-26 20:02 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 20:26 ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-26 20:39 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 20:49 ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-25 18:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 21:57 ` Russell King
2005-01-19 12:56 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-19 20:02 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-13 4:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13 5:19 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 15:36 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 3:25 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 3:53 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 5:38 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13 8:59 ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 15:31 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13 15:36 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:25 ` thoughts on kernel security issuesiig Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 15:36 ` thoughts on kernel security issues Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 19:33 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 19:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 18:55 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:59 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 19:36 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 8:23 ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 16:00 ` Kristofer T. Karas
2005-01-13 3:37 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-12 19:18 ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 19:38 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 19:41 ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-12 23:10 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 19:43 ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-12 22:46 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 20:49 Hubert Tonneau
2005-01-13 17:29 ` Chris Wright
2005-02-27 12:38 linux
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