From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932398AbWAUV4k (ORCPT ); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:56:40 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932399AbWAUV4k (ORCPT ); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:56:40 -0500 Received: from mercury.sdinet.de ([193.103.161.30]:34184 "EHLO mercury.sdinet.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932398AbWAUV4k (ORCPT ); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:56:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:56:38 +0100 (CET) From: Sven-Haegar Koch To: Lee Revell cc: Michael Loftis , Matthew Frost , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, James Courtier-Dutton Subject: Re: Development tree, PLEASE? In-Reply-To: <1137829140.3241.141.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: References: <20060121031958.98570.qmail@web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1FA093EB58B02DE48E424157@dhcp-2-206.wgops.com> <1137829140.3241.141.camel@mindpipe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 00:22 -0700, Michael Loftis wrote: >> It makes maintenance a real nightmare >> for atleast one environment in which I maintain production systems > > Why do you keep having to upgrade the kernel on production systems, if > the old kernel does what you need? But it is missing all security updates. What I am currently doing to workaround this problem: - using Debian Sarge on my production servers as a base (good packages, but kernel is just too old) - Kernel 2.6.12 from Ubuntu Breezy (taken as source, not binary packages) This way I have at least a working kernel (2.6.8 does not work on my newer boxes) and the security updates from Ubuntu, getting kernel updates with only little changes and low update-risks. Mainstream kernel is just unusable when you don't have the time to verify the lots of changes in production environments. c'ya sven -- The Internet treats censorship as a routing problem, and routes around it. (John Gilmore on http://www.cygnus.com/~gnu/)