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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@suse.de>,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, gregkh@suse.de, bunk@stusta.de,
	rml@novell.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	johnstul@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:11 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0602211631310.30245@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060221162104.6b8c35b1.akpm@osdl.org>



On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> We.  Don't.  Do. That.
> 
> Please either restore the old events so we can have a 6-12 month transition
> period or revert the patch.

I agree.

This stupid argument of "HAL is part of the kernel, so we can break it" is 
_bogus_. 

The fact is, if changing the kernel breaks user-space, it's a regression. 
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER IT'S IN /sbin/hotplug OR ANYTHING ELSE. If it 
was installed by a distribution, it's user-space. If it got installed by 
"vmlinux", it's the kernel.

The only piece of user-space code we ship with the kernel is the system 
call trampoline etc that the kernel sets up. THOSE interfaces we can 
really change, because it changes with the kernel.

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-22  0:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-17 22:45 Linux 2.6.16-rc4 Linus Torvalds
2006-02-17 23:14 ` 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions Adrian Bunk
2006-02-19 11:06   ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-19 14:54     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-19 17:50       ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-19 21:14       ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-20  1:02         ` Greg KH
2006-02-20  7:08           ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-21 22:51           ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-21 22:57             ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-21 23:33               ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22  0:04                 ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-22  0:15                   ` Mark Lord
2006-02-22  0:21                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22  0:34                     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-02-22  0:46                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-02-22  1:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 11:21                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-22 14:25                           ` uswsusp & initrd -- was " Pavel Machek
2006-02-22 15:48                           ` Joel Becker
2006-02-22 16:25                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-22 17:33                               ` Gabor Gombas
2006-02-22 17:57                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 18:37                                   ` Christian Trefzer
2006-02-22 18:59                                 ` Joel Becker
2006-02-22 19:18                                   ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 19:29                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-22 19:40                                       ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 20:45                                         ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-22 22:51                                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-23  6:39                                             ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-23 17:29                                         ` Martin Bligh
2006-02-23 17:52                                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-23 18:01                                             ` Martin Bligh
2006-02-23 18:04                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-23 20:26                                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-02-24 23:42                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-22 19:39                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 19:54                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22 20:02                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-22 20:12                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 20:44                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22 20:26                                     ` Greg KH
2006-02-23  5:28                                       ` Jody McIntyre
2006-02-22 20:57                                     ` Diego Calleja
2006-02-22 21:19                                     ` Russell King
2006-02-22 21:30                                       ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 20:47                             ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-02-22 19:07                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 17:06                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-23 12:36                         ` Paulo Marques
2006-02-22 10:49                   ` Diego Calleja
2006-02-22  7:06               ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-22 15:27                 ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-22 15:44                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 16:03                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-22 16:11                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 17:17                         ` sysfs regressions (was: 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions) Matthias Andree
2006-02-22 17:47                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 16:18                     ` 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions David Zeuthen
2006-02-22 16:35                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 16:46                         ` David Zeuthen
2006-02-22 16:51                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 17:08                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 17:31                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 18:04                           ` Al Viro
2006-02-23  3:01                             ` John Stoffel
2006-02-22 17:51                         ` Al Viro
2006-02-22 17:55                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 18:10                             ` Al Viro
2006-02-22 19:25                         ` David Zeuthen
2006-02-22 17:10                       ` Al Viro
2006-02-22 17:10                       ` grundig
2006-02-22 17:14                       ` Martin Bligh
2006-02-23  4:17                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-22 18:10                   ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-22  8:28               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-17 23:27 ` Linux 2.6.16-rc4 Nigel Cunningham
2006-02-18  8:59 ` Edmondo Tommasina
2006-02-18  9:19   ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-18 10:20     ` Con Kolivas
2006-02-18 11:26       ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-18 16:04 ` Jean Delvare
2006-02-22 22:02 ` Linux 2.6.16-rc4 edac oops Mark Rustad
2006-02-24 11:09   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22  2:39 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions Yu, Luming
2006-02-22  3:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-22  6:55 Yu, Luming
2006-02-22 12:23 ` Adrian Bunk

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