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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Chase Venters <chase.venters@clientec.com>
Cc: Sergey Panov <sipan@sipan.org>,
	Patrick McFarland <diablod3@gmail.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: GPLv3 Position Statement
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:34:09 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609281119240.3952@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200609272339.28337.chase.venters@clientec.com>



On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Chase Venters wrote:
> 
> After lots of careful consideration, I think it is fair to say that Stallman 
> vigorously and extremely promotes and stands by his ideals, but the ideals he 
> stands for aren't all that radical or extreme. That is the difference, isn't 
> it?

I would disagree.

What you talk about is "idealism". You can be idealistic about anything. I 
agree that rms is also idealistic, but that's not what makes him 
extremist. There are a lot of idealistic people who aren't extreme.

Extremism has nothing to do with _what_ the ideal is, but with how you 
state them. That's not just my interpretation, I can back it up with 
actual meaning of the word. 

	S: (n) extremism (any political theory favoring immoderate 
		uncompromising policies)

That's from wordnet.princeton.edu.

Note the "ANY" in "any political theory".

And that "immoderate" and "uncompromizing" is rms to a T.

So please, if you want to argue semantics, at least look up the word 
first. When I said extremist, I didn't use that word in the wrong way.

For example, the difference between a "deeply religious person" and an 
"extremist religious person" is not in their depth or trueness of their 
beliefs. It's in whether they want to allow other people to believe 
otherwise and can compromize when dealing with those other people.

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-09-28 18:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 235+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-22 16:15 GPLv3 Position Statement James Bottomley
2006-09-22 16:16 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-22 17:49 ` The GPL: No shelter for the Linux kernel? Adrian Bunk
2006-09-22 18:00   ` Greg KH
2006-09-22 18:01   ` Manu Abraham
2006-09-22 20:04   ` David Schwartz
2006-09-22 21:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-22 21:44     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-23  0:11       ` David Schwartz
2006-09-23  1:36         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-23  7:28         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-23  8:05       ` Manu Abraham
2006-09-23 15:32       ` Oleg Verych
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609230941530.4388@g5.osdl.org>
2006-09-23 21:04           ` Forwarded message from Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> Oleg Verych
2006-09-27  1:19             ` The GPL: No shelter for the Linux kernel? Oleg Verych
2006-09-23  8:10     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-23 17:38       ` David Schwartz
2006-09-23 18:00       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-23 18:14         ` Petr Baudis
2006-09-24  7:53           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-24 16:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-25  5:59               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-25 15:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found] ` <200609221359.39519.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
2006-09-22 18:08   ` GPLv3 Position Statement James Bottomley
2006-09-22 18:30     ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-22 18:34       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-22 18:52         ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-22 19:05       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-22 18:54         ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-25  6:33       ` Marc Perkel
2006-09-22 20:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-23 11:38 ` Florian Weimer
2006-09-25  2:44 ` An Ode to GPLv2 (was Re: GPLv3 Position Statement) Linus Torvalds
2006-09-25  4:40   ` Willy Tarreau
2006-09-25 12:00     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-25 13:07       ` Willy Tarreau
2006-09-28  0:12         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-09-25  8:53 ` GPLv3 Position Statement Michiel de Boer
2006-09-25  9:06   ` Russell King
2006-09-25 10:51   ` Neil Brown
2006-09-25 11:31     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-25 16:10       ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-29 10:15         ` Helge Hafting
2006-09-29 11:07           ` Alan Cox
2006-09-29 14:02           ` Stephen Clark
2006-09-29 16:51           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 17:47             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-29 17:49               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 18:17                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 18:26                 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-29 18:27                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 18:40                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 19:59                       ` alan
2006-09-29 20:06                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 20:21                           ` alan
2006-09-29 20:32                             ` alan
2006-09-29 23:12                               ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-29 23:25                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2006-09-29 23:53                                   ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-30  0:31                                     ` Vadim Lobanov
2006-09-30  3:36                                       ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-30  4:37                                         ` Vadim Lobanov
2006-09-30  4:54                                           ` Randy Dunlap
2006-09-30  6:10                                             ` Vadim Lobanov
2006-09-29 21:11                             ` Chris Smith
2006-09-29 21:33                               ` alan
2006-09-29 20:51                           ` alan
2006-09-29 21:25                       ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-29 21:29                       ` Alan Cox
2006-10-02  8:46             ` Helge Hafting
2006-09-29 19:43           ` jdow
2006-09-30 18:38           ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-30 20:49             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-30 20:38               ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-25 14:27     ` Lee Revell
2006-09-25 19:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-25 20:58       ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-25 22:10         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-09-26 21:32       ` Oleg Verych
2006-09-25 19:46     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-25 21:10       ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-25 11:11   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-25 14:12   ` James Bottomley
2006-09-25 16:50   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-25 17:26   ` James Bottomley
2006-09-25 15:30 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-09-27  1:11 ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-27  5:55   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-27  7:36     ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-27  8:58       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-27 12:19         ` Alan Cox
2006-09-27 17:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 18:37             ` Chase Venters
2006-09-27 19:11               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 12:42                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-27 22:58               ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-27 23:16                 ` Chase Venters
2006-09-28  0:03                   ` Neil Brown
2006-09-28  0:08                     ` David Miller
2006-09-28  0:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28  0:54                     ` Patrick McFarland
2006-09-28  3:15                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28  3:47                         ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-28  4:13                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28  5:05                             ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-28  4:39                           ` Chase Venters
2006-09-28  5:13                             ` Trond Myklebust
2006-09-28  5:15                             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-28  5:27                               ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-28  5:34                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-28  7:30                                 ` Al Viro
2006-09-28 13:55                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-09-28 14:19                               ` DervishD
2006-09-28 14:40                                 ` Jörn Engel
2006-09-28 14:59                                   ` DervishD
2006-09-28 15:04                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 15:20                                     ` Jörn Engel
2006-09-28 15:31                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 15:46                                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-09-28 15:24                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29  0:26                                       ` Neil Brown
2006-09-29  6:22                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29  1:34                                     ` jdow
2006-09-29  6:08                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-29  7:07                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29  7:18                                       ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29  2:29                                   ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29  2:45                                     ` Neil Brown
2006-09-29  3:05                                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-09-29  3:31                                         ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29  5:37                                           ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-09-29  7:18                                       ` David Schwartz
     [not found]                                     ` <20060928225008.ded4fa2c.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-29  2:50                                       ` Sean
2006-09-29  7:18                                         ` David Schwartz
2006-10-02  8:55                                         ` Maybe it's time to fork the GPL License - create the Linux license? Marc Perkel
2006-10-02  9:14                                           ` Jesper Juhl
2006-10-02  9:23                                             ` Marc Perkel
2006-10-03 10:31                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-10-03 15:34                                               ` Marc Perkel
2006-10-02  9:18                                           ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2006-10-02  9:25                                           ` Patrick McFarland
2006-10-02 18:26                                             ` James Dickens
2006-10-03 20:59                                           ` Ivan Dimitrov
2006-10-03 21:00                                             ` Chase Venters
2006-10-03 21:17                                             ` It's not GNU/Linux - it's jusy LINUX Marc Perkel
2006-10-03 21:41                                               ` Neil Brown
2006-10-04 20:09                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-10-04 20:53                                                   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-10-03 21:41                                               ` Adam Henley
2006-10-03 21:47                                                 ` Marc Perkel
2006-10-03 21:58                                                   ` Chase Venters
2006-10-03 22:00                                                   ` Hua Zhong
2006-10-04  1:17                                                     ` Patrick Draper
2006-10-04  2:06                                                       ` Patrick McFarland
2006-10-04 15:16                                                         ` Patrick Draper
2006-10-03 22:10                                                   ` M4y3c0
2006-10-03 22:02                                           ` Maybe it's time to fork the GPL License - create the Linux license? Daniel Barkalow
2006-09-28 14:51                                 ` GPLv3 Position Statement Simon Oosthoek
2006-09-28 15:07                                   ` DervishD
2006-09-28 15:38                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 18:34                             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-09-28 17:16                         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-09-28 18:59                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-28 19:34                             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-09-28 20:01                               ` Oleg Verych
2006-09-28 23:12                                 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-29  8:04                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-28  1:35                     ` Al Viro
2006-09-28  3:13                       ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-28  3:36                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28  1:53                     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-28  9:41                     ` Jörn Engel
2006-09-28  9:55                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-28 14:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 15:19                           ` Alan Cox
2006-09-28 14:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28  2:34                   ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-28  8:04             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-28 13:50               ` Christer Weinigel
2006-09-28 20:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 18:01         ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-27 12:32     ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-27 21:05       ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29 12:47       ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-27 17:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28  8:18       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-28  9:39       ` Samuel Tardieu
2006-09-27 16:08   ` Greg KH
2006-09-25 10:02 tridge
2006-09-27  9:43 Nicolas Mailhot
2006-09-27 17:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 20:34   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-09-27 20:41     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 21:01       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-09-27 23:01       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-27 23:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 23:07         ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-28  7:36         ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-29  3:01 James Bottomley
2006-09-29  4:40 ` Neil Brown
2006-09-29  6:56   ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29  7:48     ` tridge
2006-09-29  9:37       ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29 10:08       ` Samuel Tardieu
2006-09-29 12:59       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-29 14:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-30 15:32       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-09-30 16:59         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-30 22:16         ` tridge
2006-09-29 11:59     ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-09-29 14:54     ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-09-29 21:46       ` tridge
     [not found]         ` <20060929180323.d2c0d2ee.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-29 22:03           ` Sean
2006-09-29 22:20         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-29  5:51 ` tridge
2006-09-29  7:31   ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29 12:08     ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-09-29 20:50       ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29  7:31   ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29  8:09     ` tridge
2006-09-29 20:28       ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29  8:53     ` tridge
2006-09-29  9:37       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-29  9:52         ` tridge
2006-09-30  0:56           ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29 19:50       ` James Bottomley
2006-09-30  7:05         ` tridge
2006-09-30 15:06           ` James Bottomley
2006-10-01  6:28             ` tridge
2006-10-01 15:45               ` James Bottomley
2006-10-01 16:48                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-30 21:11         ` David Lang
2006-09-30 22:29           ` Michiel de Boer
2006-10-01  6:52           ` tridge
2006-09-29  7:32   ` David Woodhouse

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