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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: Ed Tomlinson <edt@aei.ca>, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot@laposte.net>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:31:48 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703082226530.10832@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45F0DCB7.5020908@tmr.com>



On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>
> Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to
> be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow
> a few new thoughts to be included.

No. Really.

I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers. They have a huge downside: 
they allow people to think that it's ok to make special-case schedulers. 
And I simply very fundamentally disagree.

If you want to play with a scheduler of your own, go wild. It's easy 
(well, you'll find out that getting good results isn't, but that's a 
different thing). But actual pluggable schedulers just cause people to 
think that "oh, the scheduler performs badly under circumstance X, so 
let's tell people to use special scheduler Y for that case".

And CPU scheduling really isn't that complicated. It's *way* simpler than 
IO scheduling. There simply is *no*excuse* for not trying to do it well 
enough for all cases, or for having special-case stuff.

But even IO scheduling actually ends up being largely the same. Yes, we 
have pluggable schedulers, and we even allow switching them, but in the 
end, we don't want people to actually do it. It's much better to have a 
scheduler that is "good enough" than it is to have five that are "perfect" 
for five particular cases.

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-09  6:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-05  9:45 [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler Nicolas Mailhot
2007-03-05  9:53 ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-05 10:00   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-03-05 15:22   ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2007-03-05 18:37     ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-05 18:20   ` Lee Revell
2007-03-05 19:19     ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-05 22:40       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-05 23:19         ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-06  2:23       ` Ed Tomlinson
2007-03-06  2:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-06  3:36           ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-09  4:04           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-09  6:31             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2007-03-09  7:04               ` Bill Huey
2007-03-09 10:54               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-09 14:54               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-09 18:11                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-06 17:50   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-06 20:06     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-09  4:21       ` Bill Davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-03-11 22:29 bert hubert
2007-03-11 22:57 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-08 14:27 Tim Tassonis
2007-03-06  4:57 Shawn Starr
2007-03-04 20:35 Al Boldi
2007-03-04 21:49 ` Con Kolivas
     [not found]   ` <45EB45F7.3050208@simon.arlott.org.uk>
2007-03-04 22:27     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-05 18:29       ` Simon Arlott
2007-03-05 21:36         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-04 23:13   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-04 23:58     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-05  1:09     ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-06  8:42 ` [ck] " Xavier Bestel
2007-03-06 15:15   ` Al Boldi
2007-03-11 18:11     ` Al Boldi
2007-03-11 21:52       ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-11 22:12         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12  4:42           ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12  4:53             ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 11:26               ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12 12:52                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 14:14                   ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12 14:58                     ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-12 17:41                       ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12 18:05                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-18  1:30                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-04  7:00 Con Kolivas
2007-03-04  7:45 ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
2007-03-04 14:04   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-04 11:08 ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-04 11:47   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-04 12:24     ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-04 12:46       ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-04 13:25         ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-04 13:49           ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-04 14:11             ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-05  2:31               ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2007-03-05  3:16                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-04 14:36             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-04 16:08               ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-05 23:05                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-06  0:18                   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-06  4:41                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-06  5:39                       ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-06 19:04                       ` jos poortvliet
2007-03-06 21:37                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-06 21:54                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-05 21:52 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-08  8:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 10:07   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-08 20:25 ` Fabio Comolli
2007-03-08 20:57   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-08 21:31     ` Fabio Comolli

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