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From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/14] Page cache cleanup in anticipation of Large Blocksize support
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:20:04 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706141411180.1579@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070614130645.cabdff1b.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:

> If we never inflict variable PAGE_CACHE_SIZE upon the kernel, these changes
> become pointless obfuscation.

But there is no such resonable scenario that I am aware of unless we 
continue to add workarounds for the issues covered here to the VM.

And it was pointed out to you that such approach can never stand in place 
of the different uses of having a larger page cache.

> I think the best way to proceed would be to investigate that _general_
> optimisation and then, based upon the results of that work, decide whether
> further _specialised_ changes such as variable PAGE_CACHE_SIZE are needed,
> and if so, what they should be.

As has been pointed out performance is only one beneficial issue of
having a higher page cache. It is doubtful in principle that the proposed 
alternative can work given that locking overhead and management overhead
by the VM are not minimized but made more complex by your envisioned 
solution.

The solution here significantly cleans up the page cache even if we never 
go to the variable page cache. If we do get there then numerous 
workarounds that we have in the tree because of not supporting larger I/O 
go away cleaning up the VM further. The large disk sizes can be handled in 
a reasonable way (f.e. fsck times would decrease) since we can handle
large contiguous chunks of memory. This is a necessary strategic move for 
the Linux kernel. It would also pave the way of managing large chunks
of contiguous memory for other ways and has the potential of getting rid
of such sore spots as the hugetlb filesystem.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-14 21:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-14 19:38 [patch 00/14] Page cache cleanup in anticipation of Large Blocksize support clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 01/14] Define functions for page cache handling clameter
2007-06-14 19:56   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-14 19:58     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-14 20:07       ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 02/14] Pagecache zeroing: zero_user_segment, zero_user_segments and zero_user clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 03/14] Use page_cache_xx function in mm/filemap.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 04/14] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/page-writeback.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 05/14] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/truncate.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 06/14] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/rmap.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 07/14] Use page_cache_xx in mm/filemap_xip.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 08/14] Use page_cache_xx in mm/migrate.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 09/14] Use page_cache_xx in fs/libfs.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 10/14] Use page_cache_xx in fs/sync clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 11/14] Use page_cache_xx in fs/buffer.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 12/14] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/mpage.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 13/14] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/fadvise.c clameter
2007-06-14 19:38 ` [patch 14/14] Use page_cache_xx in fs/splice.c clameter
2007-06-14 20:06 ` [patch 00/14] Page cache cleanup in anticipation of Large Blocksize support Andrew Morton
2007-06-14 21:07   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-14 21:25     ` Dave McCracken
2007-06-14 21:20   ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2007-06-14 21:32     ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-14 21:37       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-14 22:04         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-14 22:22           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-14 22:49             ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-15  0:45               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-15  1:40                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-15  2:04                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-15  2:23                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-15  2:37                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-15  9:03                       ` David Chinner
2007-06-14 23:30           ` David Chinner
2007-06-14 23:41             ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-15  0:29               ` David Chinner
2007-06-15 15:05           ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-06-17  1:25       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-17  5:02         ` Matt Mackall
2007-06-18  2:08           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-18  3:00             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-18  4:50             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-06-14 23:54   ` David Chinner
2007-07-02 18:16   ` Badari Pulavarty

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