From: "Joseph S. Myers" <joseph@codesourcery.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
<john.stultz@linaro.org>, <hch@infradead.org>,
<tglx@linutronix.de>, <geert@linux-m68k.org>, <lftan@altera.com>,
<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>, <xfs@oss.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 11/32] xfs: convert to struct inode_time
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:00:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1406021355230.19591@digraph.polyomino.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140531055457.GK14410@dastard>
On Sat, 31 May 2014, Dave Chinner wrote:
> If we are changing the in-kernel timestamp to have a greater dynamic
> range that anything we current support on disk, then we need support
> for all filesystems for similar translation and constraint. The
> filesystems need to be able to tell the kernel what they timestamp
> range they support, and then the kernel needs to follow those
> guidelines. And if the filesystem is mounted on a kernel that
> doesn't support the current filesystem's timestamp format, then at
> minimum that filesystem cannot do anything that writes a
> timestamp....
>
> Put simply: the filesystem defines the timestamp range that can be
> used safely, not the userspace API. If the filesystem can't support
> the date it is handed then that is an out-of-range error. Since
> when have we accepted that it's OK to handle out-of-range data with
> silent overflows or corruption of the data that we are attempting to
> store? We're defining a new API to support a wider date range -
> there is nothing that prevents us from saying ERANGE can be returned
> to a timestamp that the file cannot store correctly....
I don't see anything new about this issue. All problems that could arise
from the kernel being able to represent a timestamp some filesystems can't
are problems that already apply with 64-bit kernels using 64-bit time_t
internally. So while as part of Y2038-preparedness we do need a clear
understanding of which filesystems have what timestamp limits and what
happens with timestamps beyond those limits, I think this is a separate
strand of the problem - one that applies to both 32-bit and 64-bit systems
- from the more general issue for 32-bit systems.
--
Joseph S. Myers
joseph@codesourcery.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-06-02 14:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-30 20:01 [RFC 00/32] making inode time stamps y2038 ready Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 01/32] fs: introduce new 'struct inode_time' Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 7:56 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-31 8:39 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-05-31 13:19 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-31 13:46 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-05-31 14:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 16:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-31 9:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-31 14:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 14:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 02/32] uapi: add struct __kernel_timespec{32,64} Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-31 15:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 03/32] fs: introduce sys_utimens64at Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 9:22 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-05-31 14:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 04/32] fs: introduce sys_newfstat64/sys_newfstatat64 Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 05/32] arch: hook up new stat and utimes syscalls Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 06/32] isofs: fix timestamps beyond 2027 Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 7:59 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-31 8:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 07/32] fs/nfs: convert to struct inode_time Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 08/32] fs/ceph: convert to 'struct inode_time' Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 09/32] fs/pstore: convert to struct inode_time Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 21:14 ` Kees Cook
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 10/32] fs/coda: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 11/32] xfs: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 0:37 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-31 0:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-31 1:14 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-31 1:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-31 5:54 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-31 8:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-31 15:46 ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-01 19:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-01 20:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-02 11:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 1:36 ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-02 2:22 ` Dave Chinner
2014-06-02 7:09 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-06-02 10:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 11:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-06-02 12:38 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 13:15 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-06-02 12:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 13:07 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-06-02 15:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 14:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-02 15:04 ` Chuck Lever
2014-06-02 15:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-06-02 17:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-02 18:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 22:29 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-06-02 22:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-02 23:32 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-06-02 23:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-03 13:09 ` Roger Willcocks
2014-06-02 18:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 18:58 ` Roger Willcocks
2014-06-02 19:04 ` Chuck Lever
2014-06-02 19:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-01 0:39 ` Dave Chinner
2014-06-02 14:00 ` Joseph S. Myers [this message]
2014-05-31 15:37 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-01 0:24 ` Dave Chinner
2014-06-02 0:28 ` Dave Chinner
2014-06-02 11:35 ` Roger Willcocks
2014-06-02 11:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-03 0:32 ` Dave Chinner
2014-06-03 7:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-03 8:41 ` Dave Chinner
2014-06-03 9:16 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 12/32] btrfs: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 13/32] ext3: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 9:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-31 14:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 14/32] ext4: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 15/32] cifs: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 16/32] ntfs: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 17/32] ubifs: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 7:54 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 18/32] ocfs2: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 19/32] fs/fat: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 20/32] afs: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 21/32] udf: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 22/32] fs: convert simple fs to inode_time Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 23:06 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 23/32] logfs: convert to struct inode_time Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 24/32] hfs, hfsplus: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 14:23 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 25/32] gfs2: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 9:52 ` Steven Whitehouse
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 26/32] reiserfs: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 27/32] jffs2: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 28/32] adfs: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 29/32] f2fs: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 30/32] fuse: " Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 31/32] scsi: fnic: use current_kernel_time() for timestamp Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 20:01 ` [RFC 32/32] fs: use new inode_time definition unconditionally Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 14:30 ` [RFC 00/32] making inode time stamps y2038 ready Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-06-03 12:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 14:51 ` Richard Cochran
2014-05-31 15:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-31 18:22 ` Richard Cochran
2014-05-31 19:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-01 4:46 ` Richard Cochran
2014-06-01 4:44 ` Richard Cochran
2014-06-02 13:52 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-06-02 19:19 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 19:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-02 19:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 21:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-03 14:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-03 14:33 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-06-03 14:37 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-03 21:38 ` Dave Chinner
2014-06-04 15:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-04 17:30 ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-04 19:24 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-05 0:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-10 9:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 21:02 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-06-04 15:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
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