From: Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>
To: Maarten Brock <m.brock@vanmierlo.com>
Cc: Mychaela Falconia <mychaela.falconia@gmail.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>,
Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@kernel.org>,
"Mychaela N . Falconia" <falcon@freecalypso.org>,
linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/7] tty: add flag to suppress ready signalling on open
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 11:41:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <X9NM6i5mRTUTFKr9@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6b81cca21561305b55ba8f019b78da28@vanmierlo.com>
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:41:24AM +0100, Maarten Brock wrote:
> Hello Mychaela,
>
> On 2020-12-09 23:49, Mychaela Falconia wrote:
> > But the problem is that the current status quo is fundamentally broken
> > for those hardware devices in which DTR and/or RTS have been repurposed
> > for something other than modem and flow control. Right now whenever a
> > "cold" (never previously opened) serial port is opened for the first
> > time, that open action immediately and unstoppably asserts both DTR
> > and RTS hardware outputs, without giving userspace any opportunity to
> > say "no, please don't do it". Yes, this behaviour is codified in a
> > bunch of standards that ultimately trace back to 1970s Original UNIX,
> > but just because it is a standard does not make it right - this
> > Unix/POSIX/Linux "standard" serial port behaviour is a bug, not a
> > feature.
>
> I agree. And an application not configuring the required handshakes, but
> still relying on them is an equal bug.
Ehh, don't be silly. Relying on having Linux assert DTR/RTS on open is
in no way a bug; it's the standard behaviour that we must continue to
support unless explicitly overridden. Period.
> > But if there exist some custom hw devices out there that are in the
> > same predicament as my DUART28 adapter, but are different in that they
> > are classic old-fashioned RS-232 rather than integrated USB-serial,
> > with no place to assign a custom USB ID, *then* we need a non-USB-ID-
> > dependent solution such as Johan's sysfs attribute or O_DIRECT.
>
> Any device with a classic old-fashioned RS-232 has probably already
> solved this in another way or is accepted as not working on Linux.
>
> And then there is also the device tree (overlay?) through which a quirk
> like this can be communicated to the kernel driver. Not sure if this
> could help for a plug-and-play device like on USB.
Not every system use devicetree and no, it doesn't help with
hotpluggable buses either.
Johan
prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-12-11 10:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-12-02 11:39 [PATCH v2 0/7] tty: add flag to suppress ready signalling on open Johan Hovold
2020-12-02 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] tty: use assign_bit() in port-flag accessors Johan Hovold
2020-12-02 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] tty: use const parameters " Johan Hovold
2020-12-02 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] tty: add port flag to suppress ready signalling on open Johan Hovold
2020-12-02 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] serial: core: add sysfs attribute " Johan Hovold
2020-12-02 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] USB: serial: " Johan Hovold
2020-12-02 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] USB: serial: ftdi_sio: pass port to quirk port_probe functions Johan Hovold
2020-12-02 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] USB: serial: ftdi_sio: add support for FreeCalypso DUART28C adapter Johan Hovold
2020-12-02 18:07 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] tty: add flag to suppress ready signalling on open Mychaela Falconia
2020-12-03 9:21 ` Johan Hovold
2020-12-09 14:30 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-12-09 15:10 ` Johan Hovold
2020-12-09 22:49 ` Mychaela Falconia
2020-12-10 9:06 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-12-10 10:41 ` Maarten Brock
2020-12-10 10:50 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-12-10 12:05 ` Maarten Brock
2020-12-10 13:01 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-12-10 18:59 ` Mychaela Falconia
2020-12-11 8:46 ` Jiri Slaby
2020-12-11 16:08 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-12-11 15:51 ` Maarten Brock
2020-12-11 16:08 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-12-14 14:21 ` Johan Hovold
2020-12-18 18:03 ` Mychaela Falconia
2021-01-07 15:25 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <YBPxG+i/ZLP8/wg1@hovoldconsulting.com>
2021-01-31 0:18 ` Mychaela Falconia
2021-01-31 5:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-12-11 10:46 ` Johan Hovold
2020-12-11 10:41 ` Johan Hovold [this message]
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