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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: AUTOSEL process
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 22:59:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y/01z4EJNfioId1d@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y/0wMiOwoeLcFefc@sashalap>

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 05:35:30PM -0500, Sasha Levin wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 09:38:46PM +0000, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > Just because you can't be 100% certain whether a commit is a fix doesn't mean
> > you should be rushing to backport random commits that have no indications they
> > are fixing anything.
> 
> The difference in opinion here is that I don't think it's rushing: the
> stable kernel rules say a commit must be in a released kernel, while the
> AUTOSEL timelines make it so a commit must have been in two released
> kernels.

Patches in -rc1 have been in _no_ released kernels.  I'd feel a lot
better about AUTOSEL if it didn't pick up changes until, say, -rc4,
unless they were cc'd to stable.

> > Nothing has changed, but that doesn't mean that your process is actually
> > working.  7 days might be appropriate for something that looks like a security
> > fix, but not for a random commit with no indications it is fixing anything.
> 
> How do we know if this is working or not though? How do you quantify the
> amount of useful commits?

Sasha, 7 days is too short.  People have to be allowed to take holiday.

> I'd love to improve the process, but for that we need to figure out
> criteria for what we consider good or bad, collect data, and make
> decisions based on that data.
> 
> What I'm getting from this thread is a few anecdotal examples and
> statements that the process isn't working at all.
> 
> I took Jon's stablefixes script which he used for his previous articles
> around stable kernel regressions (here:
> https://lwn.net/Articles/812231/) and tried running it on the 5.15
> stable tree (just a random pick). I've proceeded with ignoring the
> non-user-visible regressions as Jon defined in his article (basically
> issues that were introduced and fixed in the same releases) and ended up
> with 604 commits that caused a user visible regression.
> 
> Out of those 604 commits:
> 
>  - 170 had an explicit stable tag.
>  - 434 did not have a stable tag.

I think a lot of people don't realise they have to _both_ put a Fixes
tag _and_ add a Cc: stable.  How many of those 604 commits had a Fixes
tag?


  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-27 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-26  3:42 [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 01/21] ARM: OMAP2+: omap4-common: Fix refcount leak bug Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 02/21] arm64: dts: qcom: msm8996: Add additional A2NoC clocks Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 03/21] udf: Define EFSCORRUPTED error code Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 04/21] context_tracking: Fix noinstr vs KASAN Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 05/21] exit: Detect and fix irq disabled state in oops Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 06/21] ARM: dts: exynos: Use Exynos5420 compatible for the MIPI video phy Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 07/21] fs: Use CHECK_DATA_CORRUPTION() when kernel bugs are detected Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 08/21] blk-iocost: fix divide by 0 error in calc_lcoefs() Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 09/21] blk-cgroup: dropping parent refcount after pd_free_fn() is done Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 10/21] blk-cgroup: synchronize pd_free_fn() from blkg_free_workfn() and blkcg_deactivate_policy() Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 11/21] trace/blktrace: fix memory leak with using debugfs_lookup() Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 12/21] fs/super.c: stop calling fscrypt_destroy_keyring() from __put_super() Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  4:07   ` Eric Biggers
2023-02-26  5:30     ` Eric Biggers
2023-02-26 19:24       ` Eric Biggers
2023-02-26 19:33         ` Slade Watkins
2023-02-27 14:18         ` Sasha Levin
2023-02-27 17:47           ` AUTOSEL process Eric Biggers
2023-02-27 18:06             ` Eric Biggers
2023-02-27 20:39               ` Sasha Levin
2023-02-27 21:38                 ` Eric Biggers
2023-02-27 22:35                   ` Sasha Levin
2023-02-27 22:59                     ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2023-02-28  0:52                       ` Sasha Levin
2023-02-28  1:25                         ` Eric Biggers
2023-02-28  4:25                           ` Willy Tarreau
2023-03-30  0:08                         ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-30 14:05                           ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-30 17:22                             ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-30 17:50                               ` Sasha Levin
2023-02-28  0:32                     ` Eric Biggers
2023-02-28  1:53                       ` Sasha Levin
2023-02-28  3:41                         ` Eric Biggers
2023-02-28 10:41                           ` Amir Goldstein
2023-02-28 11:28                             ` Greg KH
2023-03-01  2:05                               ` Slade Watkins
2023-03-01  5:13                                 ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-01  6:09                                   ` Greg KH
2023-03-01  7:22                                     ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-01  7:40                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2023-03-01  8:31                                         ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-01  8:43                                           ` Greg KH
2023-03-01  6:06                                 ` Greg KH
2023-03-01  7:05                                   ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-01 10:31                               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2023-03-01 13:26                               ` Mark Brown
2023-02-28 17:03                           ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-10 23:07                           ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-11 13:41                             ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-11 15:54                               ` James Bottomley
2023-03-11 18:07                                 ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-12 19:03                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-07 21:18               ` Pavel Machek
2023-03-07 21:45                 ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-11  6:25                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-11  8:11                     ` Willy Tarreau
2023-03-11 11:45                       ` Pavel Machek
2023-03-11 12:29                         ` Greg KH
2023-03-21 12:41                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2023-03-11 14:06                     ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-11 16:16                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-11 17:48                         ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-11 18:26                           ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-11 18:54                             ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-11 19:01                               ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-11 21:14                               ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-12  8:04                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-03-12 16:00                                   ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-13 17:41                               ` Greg KH
2023-03-13 18:54                                 ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-14 18:26                                   ` Greg KH
2023-03-11 20:17                             ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-11 21:02                               ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-12  4:23                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2023-03-11 18:33                           ` Willy Tarreau
2023-03-11 19:24                             ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-11 19:46                               ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-11 20:19                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2023-03-11 20:59                                   ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-11 20:11                               ` Willy Tarreau
2023-03-11 20:53                                 ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-12  4:32                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2023-03-12  5:21                                     ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-12  5:48                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2023-03-12  7:42                                       ` Amir Goldstein
2023-03-12 13:34                                         ` Mark Brown
2023-03-12 15:57                                         ` Sasha Levin
2023-03-12 13:55                                 ` Mark Brown
2023-03-11 22:38                       ` David Laight
2023-03-12  4:41                         ` Willy Tarreau
2023-03-12  5:09                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-14 14:12                             ` Jan Kara
2023-03-13  3:37             ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 13/21] sched/fair: sanitize vruntime of entity being placed Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 14/21] btrfs: scrub: improve tree block error reporting Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 15/21] arm64: zynqmp: Enable hs termination flag for USB dwc3 controller Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 16/21] cpuidle, intel_idle: Fix CPUIDLE_FLAG_INIT_XSTATE Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 17/21] entry, kasan, x86: Disallow overriding mem*() functions Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 18/21] x86/fpu: Don't set TIF_NEED_FPU_LOAD for PF_IO_WORKER threads Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 19/21] cpuidle: drivers: firmware: psci: Dont instrument suspend code Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 20/21] cpuidle: lib/bug: Disable rcu_is_watching() during WARN/BUG Sasha Levin
2023-02-26  3:42 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 6.1 21/21] perf/x86/intel/uncore: Add Meteor Lake support Sasha Levin

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