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From: Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	<sboyd@kernel.org>, <corbet@lwn.net>, <Mark.Rutland@arm.com>,
	<maz@kernel.org>, <kernel-team@meta.com>,
	<neeraju@codeaurora.org>, <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	<zhengjun.xing@intel.com>, Chris Mason <clm@meta.com>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH clocksource 1/3] clocksource: Reject bogus watchdog clocksource measurements
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 08:55:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y3rMc2VbgVLHN9db@feng-clx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221117230910.GI4001@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1>

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 03:09:10PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 10:57:34PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > Paul!
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 14 2022 at 15:28, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > >  
> > > +		/* Check for bogus measurements. */
> > > +		wdi = jiffies_to_nsecs(WATCHDOG_INTERVAL);
> > > +		if (wd_nsec < (wdi >> 2)) {
> > > +			pr_warn("timekeeping watchdog on CPU%d: Watchdog clocksource '%s' advanced only %lld ns during %d-jiffy time interval, skipping watchdog check.\n", smp_processor_id(), watchdog->name, wd_nsec, WATCHDOG_INTERVAL);
> > > +			continue;
> > > +		}
> > > +		if (wd_nsec > (wdi << 2)) {
> > > +			pr_warn("timekeeping watchdog on CPU%d: Watchdog clocksource '%s' advanced an excessive %lld ns during %d-jiffy time interval, probable CPU overutilization, skipping watchdog check.\n", smp_processor_id(), watchdog->name, wd_nsec, WATCHDOG_INTERVAL);
> > > +			continue;
> > > +		}
> > 
> > This is really getting ridiculous.
> 
> I have absolutely no argument with this statement, and going back a
> long time.  ;-)
> 
> But the set of systems that caused me to send this turned out to have
> real divergence between HPET and TSC, and 40 milliseconds per second of
> divergence at that.  So not only do you hate this series, but it is also
> the case that this series doesn't help with the problem at hand.

The drift is about 4% which is quite big. It seems that this is
either problem of HPET/TSC's hardware/firmware, or the problem of
frequency calibration for HPET/TSC. TSC calibration is complex,
as it could be done from different methods depending on hardware
and firmware, could you share the kernel boot log related with
tsc/hpet and clocksource? 

Also if your platform has acpi PM_TIMER, you may try "nohpet"
to use PM_TIMER instead of HPET and check if there is also big
drift between TSC and PM_TIMER.

Thanks,
Feng



  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-21  0:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-14 23:28 [PATCH clocksource 0/3] Reject bogus watchdog clocksource measurements Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-14 23:28 ` [PATCH clocksource 1/3] clocksource: " Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-17 21:57   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-17 23:09     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-21  0:55       ` Feng Tang [this message]
2022-11-21 15:21         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-21 18:14         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-22 15:55           ` Feng Tang
2022-11-22 22:07             ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-23  2:36               ` Feng Tang
2022-11-23 21:23                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-28  2:15                   ` Feng Tang
2022-11-29 19:29                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-30  1:38                       ` Feng Tang
2022-11-30  4:12                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-30  4:49                           ` Feng Tang
2022-11-30  5:16                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-30  5:35                               ` Feng Tang
2022-11-30  5:50                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-30  6:00                                   ` Feng Tang
2022-12-01 17:24                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-02  1:10                                       ` Feng Tang
2022-12-02  1:44                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-02  2:02                                           ` Feng Tang
2022-12-02 22:24                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-12-03  2:51                                               ` Feng Tang
2022-11-14 23:28 ` [PATCH clocksource 2/3] clocksource: Add comments to classify bogus measurements Paul E. McKenney
2022-11-14 23:28 ` [PATCH clocksource 3/3] clocksource: Exponential backoff for load-induced bogus watchdog reads Paul E. McKenney

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