From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9657AC433DB for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 15:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3FC64EAF for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 15:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229720AbhBSPyP (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 10:54:15 -0500 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:47032 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229524AbhBSPyN (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 10:54:13 -0500 Received: by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B2D064EAF; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 15:53:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1613750010; bh=EH8b9ukogYGAiNb+Z4fCszO4iJkHMWzL/zD2TZFlvkM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ZjMA2sI9o0UYM+dp+b2BNQ5wWzpfEacidLFUiQgRSJV4vi7W/jAbenqYA9EZN8ElU APspdvgRVz4VNDNsY2RyFiynUW8A7Z0pXFxH3BKyiIOesoawWBanYdy+uuja54Rw2e Fgfa4KIGuvwSQsP9AEq29nPjU4YDjllfrPu+8WvM= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:53:27 +0100 From: Greg Kroah-Hartman To: Florian Fainelli Cc: Scott Branden , Willy Tarreau , Sasha Levin , BCM Kernel Feedback , LKML , Linux ARM Subject: Re: 5.10 LTS Kernel: 2 or 6 years? Message-ID: References: <20210218165104.GC2013@sasha-vm> <00b9e2fb-d818-58d6-edae-4dbd6aa814f7@gmail.com> <20210218182050.GB15217@1wt.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 07:05:41AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: > > > On 2/19/2021 12:25 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 12:16:50PM -0800, Scott Branden wrote: > >> On 2021-02-18 10:36 a.m., Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > >>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:20:50PM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > >>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 06:53:56PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:21:13AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: > >>>>>> As a company, we are most likely shooting ourselves in the foot by not > >>>>>> having a point of coordination with the Linux Foundation and key people > >>>>>> like you, Greg and other participants in the stable kernel. > >>>>> > >>>>> What does the LF have to do with this? > >>>>> > >>>>> We are here, on the mailing lists, working with everyone. Just test the > >>>>> -rc releases we make and let us know if they work or not for you, it's > >>>>> not a lot of "coordination" needed at all. > >>>>> > >>>>> Otherwise, if no one is saying that they are going to need these for 6 > >>>>> years and are willing to use it in their project (i.e. and test it), > >>>>> there's no need for us to maintain it for that long, right? > >>>> > >>>> Greg, please remember I expressed I really need them for slightly more than > >>>> 3 years (say 3.5-4) :-) I'm fine with helping a bit more as time permits if > >>>> this saves me from having to take over these kernels after you, like in the > >>>> past, but I cannot engage on the regularity of my availability. > >>> > >>> Ok, great! > >>> > >>> That's one person/company saying they can help out (along with what CIP > >>> has been stating.) > >>> > >>> What about others? Broadcom started this conversation, odd that they > >>> don't seem to want to help out :) > >> Greg, I'm sorry but I'm not in a position to provide such a commitment. > > > > Ok, who at Broadcom do I need to talk to to get that type of commitment? > > I am not sure if I was too subtle before, we (Broadcom) cannot give you > an unified voice to speak with because we are divided in silos/business > units that make their independent decisions. That's fine, I'm totally used to that, large (and even small) companies always have different groups with different roadmaps and policies. > The group I work in (STB/CM, different from Scott's) is committed to > using the 5.10 kernel for 6 years and that is a decision that has been > taken. Great! Will you all be testing the -rc releases and letting me know how they work for your systems? > I could give you names of other decision makers in other business units > I know who also deliver Linux for their respective business units > however some of them may not make public appearances on mailing lists, > let alone care about upstreaming their changes so I do not know whether > a 6 years 5.10 kernel is even something they remotely entertain. That's fine, I'm not expecting emails from the list, we can take this off-list if you like as it sounds like I need to talk to some different managers there, right? :) thanks, greg k-h