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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	joaodias@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: be more verbose for alloc_contig_range faliures
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 08:47:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YC6aIL67PaYlmeYq@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dc534e7b-3992-eb37-8399-67258ff03067@redhat.com>

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 05:26:08PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 18.02.21 17:19, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 10:43:21AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > On 18.02.21 10:35, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Thu 18-02-21 10:02:43, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > > > On 18.02.21 09:56, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed 17-02-21 08:36:03, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > > > > > alloc_contig_range is usually used on cma area or movable zone.
> > > > > > > It's critical if the page migration fails on those areas so
> > > > > > > dump more debugging message like memory_hotplug unless user
> > > > > > > specifiy __GFP_NOWARN.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I agree with David that this has a potential to generate a lot of output
> > > > > > and it is not really clear whether it is worth it. Page isolation code
> > > > > > already has REPORT_FAILURE mode which currently used only for the memory
> > > > > > hotplug because this was just too noisy from the CMA path - d381c54760dc
> > > > > > ("mm: only report isolation failures when offlining memory").
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Maybe migration failures are less likely to fail but still.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Side note: I really dislike that uncontrolled error reporting on memory
> > > > > offlining path we have enabled as default. Yeah, it might be useful for
> > > > > ZONE_MOVABLE in some cases, but otherwise it's just noise.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just do a "sudo stress-ng --memhotplug 1" and see the log getting flooded
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway we can discuss this in a separate thread but I think this is not
> > > > a representative workload.
> > > 
> > > Sure, but the essence is "this is noise", and we'll have more noise on
> > > alloc_contig_range() as we see these calls more frequently. There should be
> > > an explicit way to enable such *debug* messages.
> > 
> > alloc_contig_range already has gfp_mask and it respects __GFP_NOWARN.
> 
> I am not 100% sure it does.

Oh, it should. Otherwise, let's fix either of caller or
alloc_contig_range since we have a customer.

```
    ret = alloc_contig_range(pfn, pfn + count, MIGRATE_CMA,
            GFP_KERNEL | (no_warn ? __GFP_NOWARN : 0))
```

> 
> > Why shouldn't people use it if they don't care the failure?
> 
> Because flooding the log with noise maybe a handful of people on this planet
> care about is absolutely useless. With the warnings in warn_alloc() people
> can at least conclude something reasonable.
> 
> > Semantically, it makes sense to me.
> > 
> > About the messeage flooding, shouldn't we go with ratelimiting?
> 
> At least that (see warn_alloc()). But I'd even want to see some other
> trigger to enable this explicitly on demand.

No objection.

How about adding verbose knob under CONFIG_CMA_DEBUGFS with
alloc_contig_range(..., bool verbose) like start_isolate_page_range?

If admin turns on the verbose mode under CONFIG_CMA_DEBUGFS,
cma_alloc will pass alloc_contig_range(...., true).

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-18 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-17 16:36 [PATCH] mm: be more verbose for alloc_contig_range faliures Minchan Kim
2021-02-17 16:51 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-17 17:26   ` Minchan Kim
2021-02-17 17:34     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-17 17:45       ` Minchan Kim
2021-02-18  8:56 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-18  9:02   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-18  9:35     ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-18  9:43       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-18  9:59         ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-18 16:19         ` Minchan Kim
2021-02-18 16:26           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-18 16:47             ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2021-02-18 16:53               ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-19  9:28           ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-19  9:30             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-19 10:02               ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-19 10:34                 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-03-02 17:23             ` Minchan Kim
2021-03-04 16:01               ` Minchan Kim
2021-03-04 16:10                 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-03-04 16:23                   ` Minchan Kim
2021-03-04 16:28                     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-03-04 17:11                       ` Minchan Kim
2021-03-04 17:23                         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-03-04 18:11                           ` Minchan Kim
2021-03-04 18:22                             ` Minchan Kim
2021-03-08 12:49                               ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-08 13:22                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-03-08 14:11                                   ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-08 14:13                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-03-08 15:42                                       ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-08 15:58                                         ` Minchan Kim
2021-03-08 16:21                                           ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-08 17:01                                             ` Minchan Kim
2021-03-08 20:27                                           ` Minchan Kim
2021-02-18 16:10   ` Minchan Kim

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