From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5D7C433DB for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0ABE64E4B for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230090AbhBSIbJ (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 03:31:09 -0500 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:32922 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229641AbhBSIbC (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 03:31:02 -0500 Received: by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 172AB64D5D; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:30:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1613723421; bh=4uu0gNzwTseegLPeh2iXdcKxfYm/OeqwPyRxyV58Igs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=lg9TqfHKoH+Lw4jL/Dxn/rOOxR+cKsbbp8S9CUYXqgn2P2M05FaK9BBZ39tvLIWS9 B2rR2VT2Cy715nJpZdTreYumUVjtlFdLqFEUJkpWcdrCmAK5OD2hyExu13/nn3pgfO Ab96tgGjXp4xwR4LiFY12ql9xIlqMt3YpXkaI1rs= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:30:18 +0100 From: Greg Kroah-Hartman To: Pavel Machek Cc: Ondrej Zary , Jari Ruusu , Willy Tarreau , Scott Branden , Linux ARM , LKML , BCM Kernel Feedback Subject: Re: 5.10 LTS Kernel: 2 or 6 years? Message-ID: References: <20210218205534.GA10201@duo.ucw.cz> <202102182343.36276.linux@zary.sk> <20210219080027.GA12434@amd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210219080027.GA12434@amd> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 09:00:27AM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! > > > > > > For me > > > > > only way to get properly working WiFi on my laptop computer is to > > > > > compile that Intel out-of-tree version. Sad, but true. > > > > > > > > Why use 4.19.y on a laptop in the firstplace? That feels very wrong and > > > > is not the recommended thing to use the LTS kernels for. > > > > > > Well, that's actually what distributions are doing, for example Debian > > > 10.8 is on 4.19... > > > > There's 5.10 in buster-backports. That's probably the easiest way to get support for new HW. > > > > I can compile my own kernel, too. But if you go up the thread, it is > about iwlwifi becoming broken in 4.19, and Greg saying it is wrong > to put -stable on laptop. And -stable on laptop is norm, not the > exception. If distros want to "camp out" on an old kernel version, that's fine, as I describe in: http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2018/08/24/what-stable-kernel-should-i-use/ many years ago. But for someone using a device where they want to use "new" hardware, that was made _after_ the kernel version was released, that's just someone who needs to pick a better distro :) thanks, greg k-h