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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Lee Duncan <lduncan@suse.com>, Chris Leech <cleech@redhat.com>,
	Adam Nichols <adam@grimm-co.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] seq_file: Unconditionally use vmalloc for buffer
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 11:44:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YFHdj+/65XO78J06@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202103161208.22FC78C8C@keescook>

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:18:33PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:43:12PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 08:24:50AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > 
> > > > Completely agreed. seq_get_buf() should be totally ripped out.
> > > > Unfortunately, this is going to be a long road because of sysfs's ATTR
> > > > stuff, there are something like 5000 callers, and the entire API was
> > > > designed to avoid refactoring all those callers from
> > > > sysfs_kf_seq_show().
> > > 
> > > What is wrong with the sysfs ATTR stuff?  That should make it so that we
> > > do not have to change any caller for any specific change like this, why
> > > can't sysfs or kernfs handle it automatically?
> > 
> > Hard to tell, since that would require _finding_ the sodding ->show()
> > instances first.  Good luck with that, seeing that most of those appear
> > to come from templates-done-with-cpp...
> 
> I *think* I can get coccinelle to find them all, but my brute-force
> approach was to just do a debug build changing the ATTR macro to be
> typed, and changing the name of "show" and "store" in kobj_attribute
> (to make the compiler find them all).
> 
> > AFAICS, Kees wants to protect against ->show() instances stomping beyond
> > the page size.  What I don't get is what do you get from using seq_file
> > if you insist on doing raw access to the buffer rather than using
> > seq_printf() and friends.  What's the point?
> 
> To me, it looks like the kernfs/sysfs API happened around the time
> "container_of" was gaining ground. It's trying to do the same thing
> the "modern" callbacks do with finding a pointer from another, but it
> did so by making sure everything had a 0 offset and an identical
> beginning structure layout _but changed prototypes_.
> 
> It's the changed prototypes that freaks out CFI.
> 
> My current plan consists of these steps:
> 
> - add two new callbacks to the kobj_attribute struct (and its clones):
>   "seq_show" and "seq_store", which will pass in the seq_file.

Ick, why?  Why should the callback care about seq_file?  Shouldn't any
wrapper logic in the kobject code be able to handle this automatically?

> - convert all callbacks to kobject/kboj_attribute and use container_of()
>   to find their respective pointers.

Which callbacks are you talking about here?

> - remove "show" and "store"

Hah!

> - remove external use of seq_get_buf().

So is this the main goal?  I still don't understand the sequence file
problem here, what am I missing (becides the CFI stuff that is)?

> The first two steps require thousands of lines of code changed, so
> I'm going to try to minimize it by trying to do as many conversions as
> possible to the appropriate helpers first. e.g. DEVICE_ATTR_INT exists,
> but there are only 2 users, yet there appears to be something like 500
> DEVICE_ATTR callers that have an open-coded '%d':
> 
> $ git grep -B10 '\bDEVICE_ATTR' | grep '%d' | wc -l
> 530

That's going to be hard, and a pain, and I really doubt all that useful
as I still can't figure out why this is needed...

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-17 10:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-15 17:48 Kees Cook
2021-03-15 18:33 ` Al Viro
2021-03-15 20:43   ` Kees Cook
2021-03-16  7:24     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-03-16 12:43       ` Al Viro
2021-03-16 12:55         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-03-16 13:01         ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-16 19:18         ` Kees Cook
2021-03-17 10:44           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2021-03-16  8:31 ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-16 19:08   ` Kees Cook
2021-03-17 12:08     ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-17 13:34       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-03-17 14:44         ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-17 14:56           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-03-17 15:20             ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-17 15:38               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-03-17 15:48                 ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-17 21:30                 ` Kees Cook
2021-03-18  8:07                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-03-18 15:51                     ` Kees Cook
2021-03-18 17:56                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-03-19 14:07 ` [seq_file] 5fd6060e50: stress-ng.eventfd.ops_per_sec -49.1% regression kernel test robot
2021-03-19 19:31   ` Kees Cook

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