From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086FCC48BE8 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 20:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC54613B0 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 20:22:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230334AbhFJUXz (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Jun 2021 16:23:55 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:39654 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229941AbhFJUXy (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Jun 2021 16:23:54 -0400 Received: from casper.infradead.org (casper.infradead.org [IPv6:2001:8b0:10b:1236::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47CA7C061574; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 13:21:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=casper.20170209; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=E+9wDzrj9BbJwTHFJ2lRJPqdmFEoDh08+5yulPmdoEw=; b=K3wrGytOF8eZ3k9jvHPCBVxuOm djWi2Q7u10JEDW/bgudT63V4Dp1LFsDhXPI/nSgO/l3YMboHYJ2pD6C1PlIJ1xZGLyfZSp1Wv0uMb OW3W+KVumGu83FGLlms02VMP9i/0ZkMUnfQHauRt48kF4i7HXbXyAb1ab6mrJE6hM714FrZN9ia4y H6l+RMnrSbMgoqPCvZ8iuzuKWjbOK0ikcItTd2B9eOuJ+iTCDEErECdQdemGWkF1F4gvPUJg3l4uW uEwXRrR1U1AStvIceYsz4cuL6wXQfVlRYB9SGzMbaWiuPfBEi7HnN4fbMtU8CrNxoS75z2O3JShUG u294D9dA==; Received: from willy by casper.infradead.org with local (Exim 4.94 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1lrRAY-0024DY-Qo; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 20:20:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 21:20:50 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Steven Rostedt Cc: Shuah Khan , Laurent Pinchart , Konstantin Ryabitsev , "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" , David Hildenbrand , James Bottomley , Greg KH , Christoph Lameter , Theodore Ts'o , Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off Message-ID: References: <5038827c-463f-232d-4dec-da56c71089bd@metux.net> <20210610182318.jrxe3avfhkqq7xqn@nitro.local> <20210610152633.7e4a7304@oasis.local.home> <37e8d1a5-7c32-8e77-bb05-f851c87a1004@linuxfoundation.org> <20210610160246.13722775@oasis.local.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210610160246.13722775@oasis.local.home> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 04:02:46PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 13:55:23 -0600 > Shuah Khan wrote: > > > You are absolutely right that the remote people will have a hard time > > participating and keeping up with in-person participants. I have a > > couple of ideas on how we might be able to improve remote experience > > without restricting in-person experience. > > > > - Have one or two moderators per session to watch chat and Q&A to enable > > remote participants to chime in and participate. > > - Moderators can make sure remote participation doesn't go unnoticed and > > enable taking turns for remote vs. people participating in person. > > > > It will be change in the way we interact in all in-person sessions for > > sure, however it might enhance the experience for remote attendees. > > I have no problem with the above suggestion, and I envision that this > may be the norm going forward. What is still missing is the > interactions of the hallway track and the evening events. I was > thinking about how we could get the remote folks in on what happened > there right afterward, which is why I'm suggesting breakout rooms like > Laurent suggested as well, but at the end of the conference, and > perhaps the conversations of the previous night could continue with a > remote presence. It's relatively common for in-person attendees at conferences to use instant messaging platforms (whether it be IRC, twitter, Slack or something else) to share their opinion on something the speaker just said in a rather less disruptive way than shouting out in the middle of a talk. If you sit at the back of a talk, most attendees have their laptops open and at least one chat program running. Perhaps we could actually _enhance_ conferences by forbidding direct audience questions and having a moderator select questions / "more of a comment actually" from an official live chat platform to engage the speaker directly on stage. It would segue naturally into "the speaker is now done with their presentation and here's some good followup discussion". So many times people have come up to me after a presentation and asked a question that I really wish I could have answered for everybody there.