From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com>
Cc: "Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 10:07:14 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YObAQsmJjKWxuO/C@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACycT3t=V-VV7LYDda8mt=QxN_Ay-N+3dgWp382TObkeei9MOg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 05:09:13PM +0800, Yongji Xie wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 6:22 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 11:04:18AM +0800, Yongji Xie wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 8:50 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 11:36:15AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 在 2021/7/4 下午5:49, Yongji Xie 写道:
> > > > > > > > OK, I get you now. Since the VIRTIO specification says "Device
> > > > > > > > configuration space is generally used for rarely-changing or
> > > > > > > > initialization-time parameters". I assume the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
> > > > > > > > ioctl should not be called frequently.
> > > > > > > The spec uses MUST and other terms to define the precise requirements.
> > > > > > > Here the language (especially the word "generally") is weaker and means
> > > > > > > there may be exceptions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another type of access that doesn't work with the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
> > > > > > > approach is reads that have side-effects. For example, imagine a field
> > > > > > > containing an error code if the device encounters a problem unrelated to
> > > > > > > a specific virtqueue request. Reading from this field resets the error
> > > > > > > code to 0, saving the driver an extra configuration space write access
> > > > > > > and possibly race conditions. It isn't possible to implement those
> > > > > > > semantics suing VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG. It's another corner case, but it
> > > > > > > makes me think that the interface does not allow full VIRTIO semantics.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that though you're correct, my understanding is that config space is
> > > > > not suitable for this kind of error propagating. And it would be very hard
> > > > > to implement such kind of semantic in some transports. Virtqueue should be
> > > > > much better. As Yong Ji quoted, the config space is used for
> > > > > "rarely-changing or intialization-time parameters".
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Agreed. I will use VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG in the next version. And to
> > > > > > handle the message failure, I'm going to add a return value to
> > > > > > virtio_config_ops.get() and virtio_cread_* API so that the error can
> > > > > > be propagated to the virtio device driver. Then the virtio-blk device
> > > > > > driver can be modified to handle that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jason and Stefan, what do you think of this way?
> > > >
> > > > Why does VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG need to support an error return value?
> > > >
> > >
> > > We add a timeout and return error in case userspace never replies to
> > > the message.
> > >
> > > > The VIRTIO spec provides no way for the device to report errors from
> > > > config space accesses.
> > > >
> > > > The QEMU virtio-pci implementation returns -1 from invalid
> > > > virtio_config_read*() and silently discards virtio_config_write*()
> > > > accesses.
> > > >
> > > > VDUSE can take the same approach with
> > > > VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG/VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I noticed that virtio_config_read*() only returns -1 when we access a
> > > invalid field. But in the VDUSE case, VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG might fail
> > > when we access a valid field. Not sure if it's ok to silently ignore
> > > this kind of error.
> >
> > That's a good point but it's a general VIRTIO issue. Any device
> > implementation (QEMU userspace, hardware vDPA, etc) can fail, so the
> > VIRTIO specification needs to provide a way for the driver to detect
> > this.
> >
> > If userspace violates the contract then VDUSE needs to mark the device
> > broken. QEMU's device emulation does something similar with the
> > vdev->broken flag.
> >
> > The VIRTIO Device Status field DEVICE_NEEDS_RESET bit can be set by
> > vDPA/VDUSE to indicate that the device is not operational and must be
> > reset.
> >
>
> It might be a solution. But DEVICE_NEEDS_RESET is not implemented
> currently. So I'm thinking whether it's ok to add a check of
> DEVICE_NEEDS_RESET status bit in probe function of virtio device
> driver (e.g. virtio-blk driver). Then VDUSE can make use of it to fail
> device initailization when configuration space access failed.
Okay.
Stefan
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Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-06-15 14:13 [PATCH v8 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 01/10] iova: Export alloc_iova_fast() and free_iova_fast(); Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 02/10] file: Export receive_fd() to modules Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 03/10] eventfd: Increase the recursion depth of eventfd_signal() Xie Yongji
2021-06-17 8:33 ` He Zhe
2021-06-18 3:29 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-18 8:41 ` He Zhe
2021-06-18 8:44 ` [PATCH] eventfd: Enlarge recursion limit to allow vhost to work He Zhe
2021-07-03 8:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-25 7:57 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 04/10] vhost-iotlb: Add an opaque pointer for vhost IOTLB Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 05/10] vdpa: Add an opaque pointer for vdpa_config_ops.dma_map() Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 06/10] vdpa: factor out vhost_vdpa_pa_map() and vhost_vdpa_pa_unmap() Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 07/10] vdpa: Support transferring virtual addressing during DMA mapping Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 08/10] vduse: Implement an MMU-based IOMMU driver Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 09/10] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-06-21 9:13 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-21 10:41 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22 5:06 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22 7:22 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22 7:49 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22 8:14 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-23 3:30 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-23 5:50 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24 3:34 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24 4:46 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24 8:13 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24 9:16 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-25 3:08 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-25 4:19 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 4:40 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29 2:26 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29 3:29 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29 3:56 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29 4:03 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24 14:46 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29 2:59 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-30 9:51 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01 6:50 ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01 7:55 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-01 10:26 ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-02 3:25 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 8:52 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07 9:19 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE Xie Yongji
2021-06-24 13:01 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29 5:43 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-30 10:06 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01 10:00 ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01 13:15 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-04 9:49 ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-05 3:36 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-05 12:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06 2:34 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 10:14 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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2021-07-07 9:24 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 15:54 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08 4:17 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-08 9:06 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08 12:35 ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-06 3:04 ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-06 10:22 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07 9:09 ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-08 9:07 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2021-06-24 15:12 ` [PATCH v8 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29 3:15 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:33 ` Liu Xiaodong
2021-06-28 4:35 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28 5:54 ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29 4:10 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29 7:56 ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29 8:14 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:32 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29 4:12 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29 6:40 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29 7:33 ` Jason Wang
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