Re: [PATCH 29/29] arm64: dts: qcom: Harmonize DWC USB3 DT nodes name - Greg Kroah-Hartman

From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Serge Semin <fancer.lancer@gmail.com>
Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Serge Semin <Sergey.Semin@baikalelectronics.ru>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 29/29] arm64: dts: qcom: Harmonize DWC USB3 DT nodes name
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:29:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YPf29+ewbrYgHxRP@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210721100220.ddfxwugivsndsedv@mobilestation>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 01:02:20PM +0300, Serge Semin wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> @Krzysztof, @Rob, please join the discussion so to finally get done
> with the concerned issue.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 09:38:54AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 03:48:07PM +0300, Serge Semin wrote:
> > > Hello John,
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 05:07:00PM -0700, John Stultz wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 5:10 AM Serge Semin
> > > > <Sergey.Semin@baikalelectronics.ru> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In accordance with the DWC USB3 bindings the corresponding node
> > > > > name is suppose to comply with the Generic USB HCD DT schema, which
> > > > > requires the USB nodes to have the name acceptable by the regexp:
> > > > > "^usb(@.*)?" . Make sure the "snps,dwc3"-compatible nodes are correctly
> > > > > named.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Serge Semin <Sergey.Semin@baikalelectronics.ru>
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > I know folks like to ignore this, but this patch breaks AOSP on db845c. :(
> > > 
> > > Sorry to hear that. Alas there is no much can be done about it.
> > 
> > Yes there is, we can revert the change.  We do not break existing
> > configurations, sorry.
> 
> By reverting this patch we'll get back to the broken dt-bindings
> since it won't comply to the current USB DT-nodes requirements
> which at this state well describe the latest DT spec:
> https://github.com/devicetree-org/devicetree-specification/releases/tag/v0.3
> Thus the dtbs_check will fail for these nodes.
> 
> Originally this whole patchset was connected with finally getting the
> DT-node names in order to comply with the standard requirement and it
> was successful mostly except a few patches which still haven't been
> merged in.
> 
> Anyway @Krzysztof has already responded to the complain regarding this
> issue here:
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20201221210423.GA2504@kozik-lap/
> but noone cared to respond on his reasonable questions in order to
> get to a suitable solution for everyone. Instead we are
> getting another email with the same request to revert the changes.
> Here is the quote from the Krzysztof email so we could continue the
> discussion:
> 
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:04:27 -0800 (PST), Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:24:11PM -0800, John Stultz wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 3:06 AM Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > The node names are not part of an ABI, are they? I expect only
> > > > compatibles and properties to be stable. If user-space looks for
> > > > something by name, it's a user-space's mistake.  Not mentioning that you
> > > > also look for specific address... Imagine remapping of addresses with
> > > > ranges (for whatever reason) - AOSP also would be broken? Addresses are
> > > > definitely not an ABI.
> > > 
> > > Though that is how it's exported through sysfs.
> > 
> > The ABI is the format of sysfs file for example in /sys/devices. However
> > the ABI is not the exact address or node name of each device.
> > 
> > > In AOSP it is then used to setup the configfs gadget by writing that
> > > value into /config/usb_gadget/g1/UDC.
> > > 
> > > Given there may be multiple controllers on a device, or even if its
> > > just one and the dummy hcd driver is enabled, I'm not sure how folks
> > > reference the "right" one without the node name?
> > 
> > I think it is the same type of problem as for all other subsystems, e.g.
> > mmc, hwmon/iio.  They usually solve it either with aliases or with
> > special property with the name/label.
> > 
> > > I understand the fuzziness with sysfs ABI, and I get that having
> > > consistent naming is important, but like the eth0 -> enp3s0 changes,
> > > it seems like this is going to break things.
> > 
> > One could argue whether interface name is or is not ABI. But please tell
> > me how the address of a device in one's representation (for example DT)
> > is a part of a stable interface?
> > 
> > > Greg? Is there some better way AOSP should be doing this?
> > 
> > If you need to find specific device, maybe go through the given bus and
> > check compatibles?
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Krzysztof
> 
> So the main question is how is the DT-node really connected with ABI
> and is supposed to be stable in that concern?
> 
> As I see it even if it affects the configfs node name, then we may
> either need to break that connection and somehow deliver DT-node-name
> independent interface to the user-space or we have no choice but to
> export the node with an updated name and ask of user-space to deal
> with it. In both suggested cases the DT-node name will still conform
> to the USB-node name DT spec. Currently we are at the second one.

I really do not care what you all decide on, but you CAN NOT break
existing working systems, sorry.  That is why I have reverted this
change in my tree and will send it to Linus soon.

thanks,

greg k-h