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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: Dan Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Vince Weaver <vincent.weaver@maine.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org, palmer@dabbelt.com,
	paul.walmsley@sifive.com, mpe@ellerman.id.au
Subject: Re: [tip:locking/core] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 11:33:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YTsmZWGXOKlfgbh9@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YTqgSmX57l2hCMk0@boqun-archlinux>

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 08:01:14AM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 09, 2021 at 01:03:18PM -0400, Dan Lustig wrote:
> > On 9/9/2021 9:35 AM, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 09, 2021 at 09:25:30AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > >> The AMOSWAP is a RmW and as such matches the W from the RW->W fence,
> > >> similarly it marches the R from the R->RW fence, yielding an:
> > >>
> > >> 	RW->  W
> > >> 	    RmW
> > >> 	    R  ->RW
> > >>
> > >> ordering. It's the stores S and R that can be re-ordered, but not the
> > >> sections themselves (same on PowerPC and many others).

> > I agree with Will here.  If the AMOSWAP above is actually implemented with
> > a RISC-V AMO, then the two critical sections will be separated as if RW,RW,
> > as Peter described.  If instead it's implemented using LR/SC, then RISC-V
> 
> Just out of curiosity, in the following code, can the store S and load L
> be reordered?
> 
> 	WRITE_ONCE(x, 1); // store S
> 	FENCE RW, W
>  	WRITE_ONCE(s.lock, 0); // unlock(s)
>  	AMOSWAP %0, 1, s.lock  // lock(s)
> 	FENCE R, RW
> 	r1 = READ_ONCE(y); // load L
> 
> I think they can, because neither "FENCE RW, W" nor "FENCE R, RW" order
> them.

I'm confused by your argument, per the above quoted section, those
fences and the AMO combine into a RW,RW ordering which is (as per the
later clarification) multi-copy-atomic, aka smp_mb().

As such, S and L are not allowed to be re-ordered in the given scenario.

> Note that the reordering is allowed in LKMM, because unlock-lock
> only need to be as strong as RCtso.

Risc-V is strictly stronger than required in this instance. Given the
current lock implementation. Daniel pointed out that if the atomic op
were LL/SC based instead of AMO it would end up being RCtso.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-09-10  9:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-26 18:28 [PATCH memory-model 0/5] Updates to the formal memory model Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 1/5] tools/memory-model: Add litmus-test naming scheme Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:10   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 2/5] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:11   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Alan Stern
2021-09-08 11:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-08 11:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-08 14:42         ` Alan Stern
2021-09-08 15:12           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-08 16:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-09  7:25             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-09 13:35               ` Will Deacon
2021-09-09 17:02                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-09 18:59                   ` Alan Stern
2021-09-09 17:03                 ` Dan Lustig
2021-09-09 18:00                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-10 14:20                     ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10 15:33                       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-09-10 16:36                       ` Alan Stern
2021-09-10 17:12                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-10 17:56                           ` Alan Stern
2021-09-10 17:17                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-12  0:26                         ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10  0:01                   ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10  5:37                     ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10  9:33                     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-09-10 10:04                       ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10 13:48                         ` Dan Lustig
2021-09-10 14:15                           ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-09 17:46                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-10 11:08                   ` Will Deacon
2021-09-17  3:21                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-09-17  5:31                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-09-17 14:36                     ` Michael Ellerman
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 3/5] tools/memory-model: Fix a README typo Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:11   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for SeongJae Park
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 4/5] tools/memory-model: Add more LKMM limitations Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:12   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 5/5] doc: Replace smp_cond_acquire() with smp_cond_load_acquire() Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:12   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/memory-barriers: " tip-bot for Andrea Parri
2018-10-02  8:28 ` [PATCH memory-model 0/5] Updates to the formal memory model Ingo Molnar

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