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From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Sean Anderson <sean.anderson@seco.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	Claudiu Beznea <claudiu.beznea@microchip.com>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@microchip.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next PATCH 10/16] net: macb: Move PCS settings to PCS callbacks
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 11:34:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YV7NHZRFZ9U3Xj8v@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YVzPgTAS0grKl6CN@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 11:19:45PM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 05:44:11PM -0400, Sean Anderson wrote:
> > At the very least, it should be clearer what things are allowed to fail
> > for what reasons. Several callbacks are void when things can fail under
> > the hood (e.g. link_up or an_restart). And the API seems to have been
> > primarily designed around PCSs which are tightly-coupled to their MACs.

I think what I'd like to see is rather than a validate() callback for
the PCS, a bitmap of phy_interface_t modes that the PCS supports,
which is the direction I was wanting to take phylink and SFP support.

We can then use that information to inform the interface selection in
phylink and avoid interface modes that the PCS doesn't support.

However, things get tricky when we have several PCS that we can switch
between, and the switching is done in mac_prepare(). The current PCS
(if there is even a PCS attached) may not represent the abilities
that are actually available.

It sounds easy - just throw in an extra validation step when calling
phylink_validate(), but it isn't that simple. To avoid breaking
existing setups, phylink would need to know of every PCS that _could_
be attached, and the decisions that the MAC makes to select which PCS
is going to be used for any configuration.

We could possibly introduce a .mac_select_pcs(interface) method
which the MAC could return the PCS it wishes to use for the interface
mode with the guarantee that the PCS it returns is suitable - and if
it returns NULL that means the interface mode is unsupported. That,
along with the bitmask would probably work.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-07 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-04 19:15 [RFC net-next PATCH 00/16] Add support for Xilinx PCS Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 01/16] dt-bindings: net: Add pcs property Sean Anderson
2021-10-05  9:39   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-05 16:18     ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-12 13:16     ` Rob Herring
2021-10-12 16:18       ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-12 16:44         ` Rob Herring
2021-10-12 17:01           ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 02/16] dt-bindings: net: Add binding for Xilinx PCS Sean Anderson
2021-10-05 12:26   ` Rob Herring
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 03/16] net: sfp: Fix typo in state machine debug string Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 21:31   ` Andrew Lunn
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 04/16] net: phylink: Move phylink_set_pcs before phylink_create Sean Anderson
2021-10-05  9:43   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 05/16] net: phylink: Automatically attach PCS devices Sean Anderson
2021-10-05  9:48   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-05 16:42     ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-07 10:23       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-08  0:14         ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 06/16] net: phylink: Add function for optionally adding a PCS Sean Anderson
2021-10-05  9:51   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-05 13:43     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-10-05 16:17       ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 07/16] net: phylink: Add helpers for c22 registers without MDIO Sean Anderson
2021-10-22 12:33   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 08/16] net: macb: Clean up macb_validate Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 23:04   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-04 23:09     ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-07 13:22   ` Nicolas Ferre
2021-10-08  0:20     ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-08  8:12       ` Nicolas Ferre
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 09/16] net: macb: Move most of mac_prepare to mac_config Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 23:05   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-04 23:09     ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 10/16] net: macb: Move PCS settings to PCS callbacks Sean Anderson
2021-10-05 10:06   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-05 16:03     ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-05 18:53       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-05 21:44         ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-05 22:19           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-07 10:34             ` Russell King (Oracle) [this message]
2021-10-07 11:29               ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-07 16:23                 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-07 17:04                   ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 11/16] net: macb: Support restarting PCS autonegotiation Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 12/16] net: macb: Support external PCSs Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 13/16] net: phy: Export get_phy_c22_id Sean Anderson
2021-10-05 10:12   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 14/16] net: mdio: Add helper functions for accessing MDIO devices Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 15/16] net: pcs: Add Xilinx PCS driver Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 19:15 ` [RFC net-next PATCH 16/16] net: sfp: Add quirk to ignore PHYs Sean Anderson
2021-10-04 22:01   ` Andrew Lunn
2021-10-05 10:33   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-05 16:45     ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-05 18:10       ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-05 19:12       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-05 20:38         ` Sean Anderson
2021-10-05 22:17           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-05 23:16             ` Sean Anderson

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