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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Brijesh Singh <brijesh.singh@amd.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH Part2 v5 26/45] KVM: SVM: Mark the private vma unmerable for SEV-SNP guests
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 15:33:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YWb8WG6Ravbs1nbx@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5eb61b30-e889-2299-678f-4edeada46c2d@amd.com>

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021, Brijesh Singh wrote:
> 
> On 10/13/21 7:34 AM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021, Brijesh Singh wrote:
> >> On 10/12/21 11:46 AM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, Brijesh Singh wrote:
> >>>> When SEV-SNP is enabled, the guest private pages are added in the RMP
> >>>> table; while adding the pages, the rmp_make_private() unmaps the pages
> >>>> from the direct map. If KSM attempts to access those unmapped pages then
> >>>> it will trigger #PF (page-not-present).
> >>>>
> >>>> Encrypted guest pages cannot be shared between the process, so an
> >>>> userspace should not mark the region mergeable but to be safe, mark the
> >>>> process vma unmerable before adding the pages in the RMP table.
> >>> To be safe from what?  Does the !PRESENT #PF crash the kernel?
> >> Yes, kernel crashes when KSM attempts to access to an unmaped pfn.
> > Is this problem unique to nuking the direct map (patch 05), 
> 
> Yes. This problem didn't exist in previous series because we were not
> nuking the page from direct map and KSM was able to read the memory just
> fine. Now with the page removed from the direct map causes #PF
> (not-present).

Hrm, so regardless of what manipulations are done to the direct map, any errant
write to guest private memory via the direct map would be fatal to the kernel.
That's both mildly terrifying and oddly encouraging, as it means silent guest data
corruption is no longer a thing, at least for private memory.

One concrete takeaway for me is that "silently" nuking the direct map on RMP
assignment is not an option.  Nuking the direct map if the kernel has a way to
determine that the backing store is for guest private memory is perfectly ok,
but pulling the rug out so to speak is setting us up for maintenance hell.

> > or would it also be a problem (in the form of an RMP violation) if the
> > direct map were demoted to 4k pages?
> >  
> 
> No, this problem does happen due to the demotion. In previous series, we
> were demoting the pages to 4k and everyone was happy (including ksm). In
> the case of ksm, the page will *never* be merged because ciphertext for
> two private pages will never be the same. Removing the pages from direct
> map certainly brings additional complexity in the KVM and other places
> in the kernel. From architecture point of view, there is actually no
> need to mark the page *not present* in the direct map. I believe in TDX
> that is must but for the SEV-SNP its not required at all.

Nuking the direct map is not strictly required for TDX either, as reads do not
compromise the integrity of the memory, i.e. don't poison memory and lead to
#MC.  Like SNP, writes via the direct map would be fatal.

The issue with TDX that is not shared by SNP is that writes through _user_ mappings
can be fatal the system.  With SNP, those generate RMP violations, but because they
are "just" page faults, the normal uaccess machinery happily eats them and SIGBUSes
the VMM.

> A hypervisor can read the guest private pages just fine, only the write will
> cause an RMP fault.

Well, for some definitions of "read".  I'm kinda joking, kinda serious.  KSM may
"work" when it reads garbage, but the same is likely not true for other kernel
code that wanders into guest private memory.  Ideally, the kernel would provide
a mechanism to _prevent_ any such reads/writes, and violations would be treated
as kernel bugs.  Given that SEV has been successfully deployed, the probability
of lurking bugs is quite low, but I still dislike the idea of latent bugs going
unnoticed or manifesting in weird ways.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-13 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 239+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-20 15:58 [PATCH Part2 v5 00/45] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) Hypervisor Support Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 01/45] x86/cpufeatures: Add SEV-SNP CPU feature Brijesh Singh
2021-09-16 16:56   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-09-16 17:35     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 02/45] iommu/amd: Introduce function to check SEV-SNP support Brijesh Singh
2021-09-16 17:26   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 03/45] x86/sev: Add the host SEV-SNP initialization support Brijesh Singh
2021-09-24  8:58   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 04/45] x86/sev: Add RMP entry lookup helpers Brijesh Singh
2021-09-24  9:49   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-09-27 16:01     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-27 16:04       ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-29 12:56         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-02 11:57   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 05/45] x86/sev: Add helper functions for RMPUPDATE and PSMASH instruction Brijesh Singh
2021-09-24 14:04   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-09-27 16:06     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-15 18:05   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-15 20:18     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-15 20:27       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-15 20:36         ` Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 06/45] x86/sev: Invalid pages from direct map when adding it to RMP table Brijesh Singh
2021-09-29 14:34   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-09-30 16:19     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-01 11:06       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 07/45] x86/traps: Define RMP violation #PF error code Brijesh Singh
2021-09-29 17:25   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 08/45] x86/fault: Add support to handle the RMP fault for user address Brijesh Singh
2021-08-23 14:20   ` Dave Hansen
2021-08-23 14:36     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-08-23 14:50       ` Dave Hansen
2021-08-24 16:42         ` Joerg Roedel
2021-08-25  9:16           ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-08-25 13:50             ` Tom Lendacky
2021-09-29 18:19   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 09/45] x86/fault: Add support to dump RMP entry on fault Brijesh Singh
2021-09-29 18:38   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 10/45] crypto: ccp: shutdown SEV firmware on kexec Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 11/45] crypto:ccp: Define the SEV-SNP commands Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 12/45] crypto: ccp: Add support to initialize the AMD-SP for SEV-SNP Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 13/45] crypto:ccp: Provide APIs to issue SEV-SNP commands Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 14/45] crypto: ccp: Handle the legacy TMR allocation when SNP is enabled Brijesh Singh
2022-02-25 18:03   ` Alper Gun
2022-03-01 14:12     ` Brijesh Singh
2022-06-14  0:10   ` Alper Gun
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 15/45] crypto: ccp: Handle the legacy SEV command " Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 16/45] crypto: ccp: Add the SNP_PLATFORM_STATUS command Brijesh Singh
2021-09-10  3:18   ` Marc Orr
2021-09-13 11:17     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-22 17:35   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-09-23 18:01     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 17/45] crypto: ccp: Add the SNP_{SET,GET}_EXT_CONFIG command Brijesh Singh
2021-09-01 21:02   ` Connor Kuehl
2021-09-01 23:06     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-10  3:27   ` Marc Orr
2021-09-13 11:29     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 18/45] crypto: ccp: Provide APIs to query extended attestation report Brijesh Singh
2021-09-10  3:30   ` Marc Orr
2021-09-12  7:46     ` Dov Murik
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 19/45] KVM: SVM: Add support to handle AP reset MSR protocol Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 20/45] KVM: SVM: Provide the Hypervisor Feature support VMGEXIT Brijesh Singh
2021-10-12 20:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 21/45] KVM: SVM: Make AVIC backing, VMSA and VMCB memory allocation SNP safe Brijesh Singh
2021-09-22 18:55   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-09-23 18:09     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-23 18:39       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-09-23 22:23         ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-23 19:17       ` Marc Orr
2021-09-23 20:44         ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-23 20:55           ` Marc Orr
2021-10-12 20:44   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 22/45] KVM: SVM: Add initial SEV-SNP support Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 23/45] KVM: SVM: Add KVM_SNP_INIT command Brijesh Singh
2021-09-05  6:56   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05 13:59     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-10  3:32   ` Marc Orr
2021-09-13 11:32     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-16 15:50   ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-13 20:58   ` Alper Gun
2022-06-13 23:15     ` Ashish Kalra
2022-06-13 23:33       ` Alper Gun
2022-06-14  0:21         ` Ashish Kalra
2022-06-14 15:37           ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-14 16:11             ` Kalra, Ashish
2022-06-14 16:30               ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-14 17:16                 ` Kalra, Ashish
2022-06-14 18:58                   ` Alper Gun
2022-06-14 20:23                     ` Kalra, Ashish
2022-06-14 20:29                       ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-14 20:39                         ` Kalra, Ashish
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 24/45] KVM: SVM: Add KVM_SEV_SNP_LAUNCH_START command Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 25/45] KVM: SVM: Add KVM_SEV_SNP_LAUNCH_UPDATE command Brijesh Singh
2021-09-27 16:43   ` Peter Gonda
2021-09-27 19:33     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-05 15:01       ` Peter Gonda
2021-08-20 15:58 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 26/45] KVM: SVM: Mark the private vma unmerable for SEV-SNP guests Brijesh Singh
2021-09-23 17:18   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-10-12 18:46   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-13 12:39     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-13 14:34       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-13 14:51         ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-13 15:33           ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 27/45] KVM: SVM: Add KVM_SEV_SNP_LAUNCH_FINISH command Brijesh Singh
2022-05-18 20:21   ` Marc Orr
2022-05-18 20:35     ` Kalra, Ashish
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 28/45] KVM: X86: Keep the NPT and RMP page level in sync Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 29/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Move 'pfn' variable to caller of direct_page_fault() Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 30/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_mmu_map_tdp_page() for use by TDX and SNP Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 31/45] KVM: x86: Introduce kvm_mmu_get_tdp_walk() for SEV-SNP use Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 32/45] KVM: x86: Define RMP page fault error bits for #NPF Brijesh Singh
2021-09-30 23:41   ` Marc Orr
2021-10-01 13:03     ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 33/45] KVM: x86: Update page-fault trace to log full 64-bit error code Brijesh Singh
2021-10-13 21:23   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 34/45] KVM: SVM: Do not use long-lived GHCB map while setting scratch area Brijesh Singh
2021-10-13 21:20   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-15 16:11     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-15 16:44       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 35/45] KVM: SVM: Remove the long-lived GHCB host map Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 36/45] KVM: SVM: Add support to handle GHCB GPA register VMGEXIT Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 37/45] KVM: SVM: Add support to handle MSR based Page State Change VMGEXIT Brijesh Singh
2021-09-28  9:56   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-10-12 21:48   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-13 17:04     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-13 17:05     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-13 17:24       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-13 17:49         ` Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 38/45] KVM: SVM: Add support to handle " Brijesh Singh
2021-09-28 10:17   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-09-28 23:20     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 39/45] KVM: SVM: Introduce ops for the post gfn map and unmap Brijesh Singh
2021-10-13  0:23   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-13 18:10     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-13 20:10       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-13 21:49         ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-13 22:10           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-13 22:31             ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-13 20:16     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-15 16:31       ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-15 17:16         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-08 21:21           ` Michael Roth
2022-09-08 22:28             ` Michael Roth
2022-09-14  8:05             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-14 11:02               ` Marc Orr
2022-09-14 16:15                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-14 16:32                   ` Marc Orr
2022-09-14 16:39                     ` Marc Orr
2022-09-19 17:56               ` Michael Roth
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 40/45] KVM: x86: Export the kvm_zap_gfn_range() for the SNP use Brijesh Singh
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 41/45] KVM: SVM: Add support to handle the RMP nested page fault Brijesh Singh
2021-09-29 12:24   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-10-13 17:57   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 42/45] KVM: SVM: Provide support for SNP_GUEST_REQUEST NAE event Brijesh Singh
2021-09-29 21:33   ` Peter Gonda
2021-09-29 22:00   ` Peter Gonda
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 43/45] KVM: SVM: Use a VMSA physical address variable for populating VMCB Brijesh Singh
2021-10-15 18:58   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 44/45] KVM: SVM: Support SEV-SNP AP Creation NAE event Brijesh Singh
2021-10-15 19:50   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-20 21:48     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-20 23:01       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-20 15:59 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 45/45] KVM: SVM: Add module parameter to enable the SEV-SNP Brijesh Singh
2021-11-12 15:43 ` [PATCH Part2 v5 00/45] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) Hypervisor Support Peter Gonda
2021-11-12 17:59   ` Dave Hansen
2021-11-12 18:35     ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-12 19:48       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-12 20:04         ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-12 20:37           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-12 20:53             ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-12 21:12               ` Peter Gonda
2021-11-12 21:20                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-11-12 22:04                   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-12 22:52                   ` Peter Gonda
2021-11-13  0:00                 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-13  0:10                   ` Marc Orr
2021-11-13 18:34                     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-14  7:54                       ` Marc Orr
2021-11-15 17:16                         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-15 16:36                       ` Joerg Roedel
2021-11-15 17:25                         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-12 21:30             ` Marc Orr
2021-11-12 21:37               ` Dave Hansen
2021-11-12 21:40                 ` Marc Orr
2021-11-12 21:39               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-11-12 21:43                 ` Marc Orr
2021-11-12 22:54                   ` Peter Gonda
2021-11-13  0:53                     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-13  1:04                       ` Marc Orr
2021-11-13 18:28                         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-14  7:41                           ` Marc Orr
2021-11-15 18:17                             ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-15 16:52                           ` Joerg Roedel
2021-11-15 16:18             ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-15 18:44               ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-15 18:58                 ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-12 21:16         ` Marc Orr
2021-11-12 21:23           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-11-12 21:35             ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-15 12:30         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-11-15 14:42           ` Joerg Roedel
2021-11-15 15:33             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-11-15 16:20               ` Joerg Roedel
2021-11-15 16:32                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-11-15 18:26           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-15 18:41             ` Marc Orr
2021-11-15 19:15               ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-16  3:07                 ` Marc Orr
2021-11-16  5:14                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-11-16 13:21                     ` Joerg Roedel
2021-11-16 18:26                       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-16 18:39                         ` Peter Gonda
2021-11-16 13:30                 ` Joerg Roedel
2021-11-16  5:00               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-11-16 13:02             ` Joerg Roedel
2021-11-16 20:08               ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-15 16:16         ` Joerg Roedel
2021-11-22 15:23   ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-22 17:03     ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-11-22 18:01       ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-22 18:30     ` Dave Hansen
2021-11-22 19:06       ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-22 19:14         ` Dave Hansen
2021-11-22 20:33           ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-22 21:34             ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-22 22:51             ` Dave Hansen
2021-11-23  5:15               ` Luck, Tony
2021-11-23  7:18               ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-23 15:36                 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-23 16:26                   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-23  8:55               ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-11-24 16:03               ` Joerg Roedel
2021-11-24 17:48                 ` Dave Hansen
2021-11-24 19:34                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-11-25 10:05                   ` Joerg Roedel
2021-11-29 14:44                     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-29 14:58                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-11-29 16:13                         ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-30 19:40                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-11-29 16:41                     ` Dave Hansen

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