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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
	Ben Gardon <bgardon@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Formalize TDP MMU's (unintended?) deferred TLB flush logic
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 01:41:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YiAcvswAIrMi+iXS@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YiAXy+I1GcyZ7iFJ@google.com>

On Thu, Mar 03, 2022, Mingwei Zhang wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2022, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 02, 2022, Mingwei Zhang wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 26, 2022, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/mmu/tdp_mmu.c b/arch/x86/kvm/mmu/tdp_mmu.c
> > > > index 12866113fb4f..e35bd88d92fd 100644
> > > > --- a/arch/x86/kvm/mmu/tdp_mmu.c
> > > > +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/mmu/tdp_mmu.c
> > > > @@ -93,7 +93,15 @@ void kvm_tdp_mmu_put_root(struct kvm *kvm, struct kvm_mmu_page *root,
> > > >  	list_del_rcu(&root->link);
> > > >  	spin_unlock(&kvm->arch.tdp_mmu_pages_lock);
> > > >  
> > > > -	zap_gfn_range(kvm, root, 0, -1ull, false, false, shared);
> > > > +	/*
> > > > +	 * A TLB flush is not necessary as KVM performs a local TLB flush when
> > > > +	 * allocating a new root (see kvm_mmu_load()), and when migrating vCPU
> > > > +	 * to a different pCPU.  Note, the local TLB flush on reuse also
> > > > +	 * invalidates any paging-structure-cache entries, i.e. TLB entries for
> > > > +	 * intermediate paging structures, that may be zapped, as such entries
> > > > +	 * are associated with the ASID on both VMX and SVM.
> > > > +	 */
> > > > +	(void)zap_gfn_range(kvm, root, 0, -1ull, false, false, shared);
> > > 
> > > Understood that we could avoid the TLB flush here. Just curious why the
> > > "(void)" is needed here? Is it for compile time reason?
> > 
> > Nope, no functional purpose, though there might be some "advanced" warning or
> > static checkers that care.
> > 
> > The "(void)" is to communicate to human readers that the result is intentionally
> > ignored, e.g. to reduce the probability of someone "fixing" the code by acting on
> > the result of zap_gfn_range().  The comment should suffice, but it's nice to have
> > the code be self-documenting as much as possible.
> 
> Right, I got the point. Thanks.
> 
> Coming back. It seems that I pretended to understand that we should
> avoid the TLB flush without really knowing why.
> 
> I mean, leaving (part of the) stale TLB entries unflushed will still be
> dangerous right? Or am I missing something that guarantees to flush the
> local TLB before returning to the guest? For instance,
> kvm_mmu_{re,}load()?

Heh, if SVM's ASID management wasn't a mess[*], it'd be totally fine.  The idea,
and what EPT architectures mandates, is that each TDP root is associated with an
ASID.  So even though there may be stale entries in the TLB for a root, because
that root is no longer used those stale entries are unreachable.  And if KVM ever
happens to reallocate the same physical page for a root, that's ok because KVM must
be paranoid and flush that root (see code comment in this patch).

What we're missing on SVM is proper ASID handling.  If KVM uses ASIDs the way AMD
intends them to be used, then this works as intended because each root is again
associated with a specific ASID, and KVM just needs to flush when (re)allocating
a root and when reusing an ASID (which it already handles).

[*] https://lore.kernel.org/all/Yh%2FJdHphCLOm4evG@google.com

  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-03  1:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-26  0:15 [PATCH v3 00/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Overhaul TDP MMU zapping and flushing Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 01/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Use common iterator for walking invalid TDP MMU roots Sean Christopherson
2022-03-02 19:08   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-03-02 19:51     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-03  0:57       ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 02/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Check for present SPTE when clearing dirty bit in TDP MMU Sean Christopherson
2022-03-02 19:50   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 03/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Fix wrong/misleading comments in TDP MMU fast zap Sean Christopherson
2022-02-28 23:15   ` Ben Gardon
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 04/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Formalize TDP MMU's (unintended?) deferred TLB flush logic Sean Christopherson
2022-03-02 23:59   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-03-03  0:12     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-03  1:20       ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-03-03  1:41         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2022-03-03  4:50           ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-03-03 16:45             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 05/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Document that zapping invalidated roots doesn't need to flush Sean Christopherson
2022-02-28 23:17   ` Ben Gardon
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 06/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Require mmu_lock be held for write in unyielding root iter Sean Christopherson
2022-02-28 23:26   ` Ben Gardon
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 07/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Check for !leaf=>leaf, not PFN change, in TDP MMU SP removal Sean Christopherson
2022-03-01  0:11   ` Ben Gardon
2022-03-03 18:02   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 08/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Batch TLB flushes from TDP MMU for MMU notifier change_spte Sean Christopherson
2022-03-03 18:08   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 09/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Drop RCU after processing each root in MMU notifier hooks Sean Christopherson
2022-03-03 18:24   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-03-03 18:32   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 10/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Add helpers to read/write TDP MMU SPTEs and document RCU Sean Christopherson
2022-03-03 18:34   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 11/28] KVM: x86/mmu: WARN if old _or_ new SPTE is REMOVED in non-atomic path Sean Christopherson
2022-03-03 18:37   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 12/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Refactor low-level TDP MMU set SPTE helper to take raw vals Sean Christopherson
2022-03-03 18:47   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 13/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Zap only the target TDP MMU shadow page in NX recovery Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 14/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Skip remote TLB flush when zapping all of TDP MMU Sean Christopherson
2022-03-01  0:19   ` Ben Gardon
2022-03-03 18:50   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 15/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Add dedicated helper to zap TDP MMU root shadow page Sean Christopherson
2022-03-01  0:32   ` Ben Gardon
2022-03-03 21:19   ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-03-03 21:24     ` Mingwei Zhang
2022-03-03 23:06       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 16/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Require mmu_lock be held for write to zap TDP MMU range Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 17/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Zap only TDP MMU leafs in kvm_zap_gfn_range() Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 18/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Do remote TLB flush before dropping RCU in TDP MMU resched Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 19/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Defer TLB flush to caller when freeing TDP MMU shadow pages Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 20/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Allow yielding when zapping GFNs for defunct TDP MMU root Sean Christopherson
2022-03-01 18:21   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-01 19:43     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-01 20:12       ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-02  2:13         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-02 14:54           ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-02 17:43             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 21/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Zap roots in two passes to avoid inducing RCU stalls Sean Christopherson
2022-03-01  0:43   ` Ben Gardon
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 22/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Zap defunct roots via asynchronous worker Sean Christopherson
2022-03-01 17:57   ` Ben Gardon
2022-03-02 17:25   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-02 17:35     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-02 18:33       ` David Matlack
2022-03-02 18:36         ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-02 18:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-02 18:20       ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-02 19:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-02 20:14           ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-02 20:47             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-02 21:22               ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-02 22:25                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 23/28] KVM: x86/mmu: Check for a REMOVED leaf SPTE before making the SPTE Sean Christopherson
2022-03-01 18:06   ` Ben Gardon
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 24/28] KVM: x86/mmu: WARN on any attempt to atomically update REMOVED SPTE Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 25/28] KVM: selftests: Move raw KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION helper to utils Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 26/28] KVM: selftests: Split out helper to allocate guest mem via memfd Sean Christopherson
2022-02-28 23:36   ` David Woodhouse
2022-03-02 18:36     ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-02 21:55       ` David Woodhouse
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 27/28] KVM: selftests: Define cpu_relax() helpers for s390 and x86 Sean Christopherson
2022-02-26  0:15 ` [PATCH v3 28/28] KVM: selftests: Add test to populate a VM with the max possible guest mem Sean Christopherson

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