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From: Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Konstantin Shelekhin <k.shelekhin@yadro.com>,
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	Andreas Hindborg <andreas.hindborg@wdc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 12/27] rust: add `kernel` crate
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 19:05:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YyivY6WIl/ahZQqy@wedsonaf-dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whTDbFZKB4KJ6=74hoLcerTm3JuN3PV8G6ktcz+Xm1qew@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:20:52AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 9:09 AM Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > The whole "really know what context this code is running within" is
> > really important. You may want to write very explicit comments about
> > it.
> 
> Side note: a corollary of this is that people should avoid "dynamic
> context" things like the plague, because it makes for such pain when
> the context isn't statically obvious.

As you know, we're trying to guarantee the absence of undefined
behaviour for code written in Rust. And the context is _really_
important, so important that leaving it up to comments isn't enough.

I don't care as much about allocation flags as I do about sleeping in an
rcu read-side critical region. When CONFIG_PREEMPT=n, if some CPU makes
the mistake of sleeping between rcu_read_lock()/rcu_read_unlock(), RCU
will take that as a quiescent state, which may cause unsuspecting code
waiting for a grace period to wake up too early and potentially free
memory that is still in use, which is obviously undefined behaviour.

We generally have two routes to avoid undefined behaviour: detect at
compile time (and fail compilation) or at runtime (and stop things
before they go too far). The former, while feasible, would require some
static analysi or passing tokens as arguments to guarantee that we're in
sleepable context when sleeping (all ellided at compile time, so
zero-cost in terms of run-time performance), but likely painful to
program use.

Always having preempt_count would allow us to detect such issues in RCU
at runtime (for both C and Rust) and prevent user-after-frees.

Do you have an opinion on the above?

Cheers,
-Wedson

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-19 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-05 15:41 [PATCH v9 00/27] Rust support Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 01/27] kallsyms: use `sizeof` instead of hardcoded size Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 16:48   ` Geert Stappers
2022-08-05 18:46     ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 22:40   ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2022-08-17 19:36     ` Kees Cook
2022-08-18  9:03       ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2022-08-18 16:03         ` Kees Cook
2022-09-27 12:48           ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 02/27] kallsyms: avoid hardcoding buffer size Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 19:37   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-18 16:50     ` Geert Stappers
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 03/27] kallsyms: add static relationship between `KSYM_NAME_LEN{,_BUFFER}` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 19:39   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-17 19:50     ` Boqun Feng
2022-08-17 20:31       ` Kees Cook
2022-08-17 20:45         ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 04/27] kallsyms: support "big" kernel symbols Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 05/27] kallsyms: increase maximum kernel symbol length to 512 Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 06/27] rust: add C helpers Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 19:44   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-17 20:22     ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:34       ` Kees Cook
2022-08-17 21:44         ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 23:56           ` Kees Cook
2022-08-18 16:03             ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-18 16:08               ` Kees Cook
2022-08-18 17:01                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 07/27] rust: import upstream `alloc` crate Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:07   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-17 21:00     ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 08/27] rust: adapt `alloc` crate to the kernel Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 09/27] rust: add `compiler_builtins` crate Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:08   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-22 23:55   ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-08-24 18:38     ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-08-29 17:11       ` Gary Guo
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 10/27] rust: add `macros` crate Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 11/27] rust: add `bindings` crate Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 12/27] rust: add `kernel` crate Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-06 10:24   ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2022-08-06 11:22     ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-06 12:15       ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2022-08-06 14:57       ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-09-19 14:07         ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2022-09-19 16:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-19 17:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-19 18:05               ` Wedson Almeida Filho [this message]
2022-09-19 20:42                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-19 22:35                   ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2022-09-19 23:39                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-19 23:50                       ` Alex Gaynor
2022-09-19 23:58                         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-20  0:15                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-20 15:55                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-09-20 22:39                               ` Gary Guo
2022-09-21  6:42                                 ` comex
2022-09-21 14:19                                   ` Boqun Feng
2022-10-03  2:03                                     ` comex
2022-09-20  0:40                           ` Boqun Feng
2022-10-03  4:17                             ` Kyle Strand
2022-09-20  0:41                       ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2022-09-21 11:23       ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2022-09-21 11:46         ` Greg KH
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 13/27] rust: export generated symbols Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:11   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-05 15:41 ` [PATCH v9 14/27] vsprintf: add new `%pA` format specifier Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 15/27] scripts: checkpatch: diagnose uses of `%pA` in the C side as errors Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 16/27] scripts: checkpatch: enable language-independent checks for Rust Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:12   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 17/27] scripts: decode_stacktrace: demangle Rust symbols Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 18/27] scripts: add `generate_rust_analyzer.py` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:13   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 19/27] scripts: add `generate_rust_target.rs` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:14   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 20/27] scripts: add `rust_is_available.sh` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:18   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-17 20:40     ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-22 20:09   ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-08-23 12:12     ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-23 12:16       ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 21/27] scripts: add `is_rust_module.sh` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:19   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 22/27] rust: add `.rustfmt.toml` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:19   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 23/27] Kbuild: add Rust support Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:26   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-17 20:56     ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-22 22:35   ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-09-12 16:07   ` Masahiro Yamada
2022-09-12 16:18     ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-09-13  6:37       ` Masahiro Yamada
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 24/27] docs: add Rust documentation Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 25/27] x86: enable initial Rust support Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:27   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 26/27] samples: add first Rust examples Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-06 13:14   ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2022-08-17 21:02     ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-18  9:04       ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2022-08-17 20:28   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v9 27/27] MAINTAINERS: Rust Miguel Ojeda
2022-08-17 20:28   ` Kees Cook
2022-08-17 20:43     ` Miguel Ojeda

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