From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Sergei Shtepa <sergei.shtepa@veeam.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Donald Buczek <buczek@molgen.mpg.de>,
axboe@kernel.dk, corbet@lwn.net, snitzer@kernel.org,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org,
kch@nvidia.com, martin.petersen@oracle.com, vkoul@kernel.org,
ming.lei@redhat.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/11] block: Block Device Filtering Mechanism
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 23:06:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZDuQacsbY889iVYH@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50d131e3-7528-2064-fbe6-65482db46ae4@veeam.com>
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:43:40PM +0200, Sergei Shtepa wrote:
> We can consider a block device as a resource that two actor want to take over.
> There are two possible behavioral strategies:
> 1. If one owner occupies a resource, then for other actors, the ownership
> request will end with a refusal. The owner will not lose his resource.
> 2. Any actor can take away a resource from the owner and inform him about its
> loss using a callback.
>
> I think the first strategy is safer. When calling ioctl BLKFILTER_ATTACH, the
> kernel informs the actor that the resource is busy.
> Of course, there is still an option to grab someone else's occupied resource.
> To do this, he will have to call ioctl BLKFILTER_DETACH, specifying the name
> of the filter that needs to be detached. It is assumed that such detached
> should be performed by the same actor that attached it there.
Yes.
> If we replace the owner at each ioctl BLKFILTER_ATTACH, then we can get a
> situation of competition between two actors. At the same time, they won't
> even get a message that something is going wrong.
> With the second strategy, both tools will unload each other's filters. In the
> best case, this will lead to disruption of their work. At a minimum, blksnap,
> when detached, will reset the change tracker and each backup will perform a
> full read of the block device. As a result, the user will receive distorted
> data, the system will not work as planned, although there will be no error
> message.
Exactly. Silent replacement is a bad idea. Maybe we can stupport
multiple filters, but I'm not entirely sold on that either. But
silently replacing an existing one is a bad idea.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-04-16 6:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-04-04 14:08 [PATCH v3 00/11] blksnap - block devices snapshots module Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-04 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 01/11] documentation: Block Device Filtering Mechanism Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-10 5:04 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-04-12 12:39 ` Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-04 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 02/11] block: " Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-08 15:16 ` Donald Buczek
2023-04-11 6:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-04-08 15:30 ` Donald Buczek
2023-04-11 6:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-04-12 10:43 ` Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-12 19:59 ` Donald Buczek
2023-04-14 13:39 ` Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-16 6:06 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2023-04-04 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 03/11] documentation: Block Devices Snapshots Module Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-10 5:01 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-04-12 19:38 ` Donald Buczek
2023-04-14 12:34 ` Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-18 10:31 ` Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-18 14:48 ` Donald Buczek
2023-04-19 13:05 ` Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-19 19:42 ` Donald Buczek
2023-04-20 14:44 ` Donald Buczek
2023-04-20 19:17 ` Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-21 17:32 ` Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-22 20:01 ` Donald Buczek
2023-04-04 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 04/11] blksnap: header file of the module interface Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-04 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 05/11] blksnap: module management interface functions Sergei Shtepa
2023-04-04 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 06/11] blksnap: handling and tracking I/O units Sergei Shtepa
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