From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
Weijiang Yang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
peterz@infradead.org, Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>,
john.allen@amd.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,
binbin.wu@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 09/19] KVM:x86: Make guest supervisor states as non-XSAVE managed
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 08:37:48 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZNUETFZK7K5zyr3X@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8396a9f6-fbc4-1e62-b6a9-3df568fd15a2@redhat.com>
On Thu, Aug 10, 2023, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 8/10/23 16:29, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 8/10/23 02:29, Yang, Weijiang wrote:
> > ...
> > > When KVM enumerates shadow stack support for guest in CPUID(0x7,
> > > 0).ECX[bit7], architecturally it claims both SS user and supervisor
> > > mode are supported. Although the latter is not supported in Linux,
> > > but in virtualization world, the guest OS could be non-Linux system,
> > > so KVM supervisor state support is necessary in this case.
> >
> > What actual OSes need this support?
>
> I think Xen could use it when running nested. But KVM cannot expose support
> for CET in CPUID, and at the same time fake support for
> MSR_IA32_PL{0,1,2}_SSP (e.g. inject a #GP if it's ever written to a nonzero
> value).
>
> I suppose we could invent our own paravirtualized CPUID bit for "supervisor
> IBT works but supervisor SHSTK doesn't". Linux could check that but I don't
> think it's a good idea.
>
> So... do, or do not. There is no try. :)
> > I want to hear more about who is going to use CET_S state under KVM in
> > practice. I don't want to touch it if this is some kind of purely
> > academic exercise. But it's also silly to hack some kind of temporary
> > solution into KVM that we'll rip out in a year when real supervisor
> > shadow stack support comes along.
As Paolo alluded to, this is about KVM faithfully emulating the architecture.
There is no combination of CPUID bits that allows KVM to advertise SHSTK for
userspace without advertising SHSTK for supervisor.
Whether or not there are any users in the short term is unfortunately irrelevant
from KVM's perspective.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-08-10 15:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-03 4:27 [PATCH v5 00/19] Enable CET Virtualization Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 01/19] x86/cpufeatures: Add CPU feature flags for shadow stacks Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 02/19] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce CET MSR and XSAVES supervisor states Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 03/19] KVM:x86: Report XSS as to-be-saved if there are supported features Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 04/19] KVM:x86: Refresh CPUID on write to guest MSR_IA32_XSS Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 16:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 21:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09 3:11 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-08 14:20 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 18:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07 6:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09 8:56 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-10 0:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-10 1:12 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 05/19] KVM:x86: Initialize kvm_caps.supported_xss Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 18:45 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-08 15:08 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 06/19] KVM:x86: Load guest FPU state when access XSAVE-managed MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 07/19] KVM:x86: Add fault checks for guest CR4.CET setting Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 9:07 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 08/19] KVM:x86: Report KVM supported CET MSRs as to-be-saved Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 10:39 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 3:13 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 5:51 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 18:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 22:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-08 15:16 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-06 8:54 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 18:55 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-08 15:26 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 21:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09 3:14 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 09/19] KVM:x86: Make guest supervisor states as non-XSAVE managed Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 11:15 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 3:26 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 20:45 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 20:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-04 21:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09 2:51 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-09 2:39 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-10 9:29 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-10 14:29 ` Dave Hansen
2023-08-10 15:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-10 15:37 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-08-11 3:03 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-28 21:00 ` Dave Hansen
2023-08-29 7:05 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 10/19] KVM:VMX: Introduce CET VMCS fields and control bits Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 11/19] KVM:VMX: Emulate read and write to CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 5:14 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 21:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 21:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-04 22:21 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07 7:03 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-06 8:44 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-07 7:00 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-04 8:28 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-09 7:12 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 21:40 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09 3:05 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 12/19] KVM:x86: Save and reload SSP to/from SMRAM Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 7:53 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 15:25 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-06 9:14 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 13/19] KVM:VMX: Set up interception for CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 8:16 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-06 9:22 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-07 1:16 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-09 6:11 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 14/19] KVM:VMX: Set host constant supervisor states to VMCS fields Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 8:23 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 15/19] KVM:x86: Optimize CET supervisor SSP save/reload Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 8:43 ` Chao Gao
2023-08-09 9:00 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 16/19] KVM:x86: Enable CET virtualization for VMX and advertise to userspace Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 17/19] KVM:x86: Enable guest CET supervisor xstate bit support Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 22:02 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09 6:07 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 18/19] KVM:nVMX: Refine error code injection to nested VM Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 21:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-09 3:00 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03 4:27 ` [PATCH v5 19/19] KVM:nVMX: Enable CET support for " Yang Weijiang
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