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To:     Benjamin GAIGNARD <benjamin.gaignard@st.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ARM: dts: stm32: Enable high resolution timer
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Date:   Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:48:58 +0100
From:   Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
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On 2019-10-14 10:31, Benjamin GAIGNARD wrote:
> On 9/27/19 2:59 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>> On 2019-09-27 13:44, Benjamin GAIGNARD wrote:
>>> On 9/27/19 2:41 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>>>> On 2019-09-27 13:36, Benjamin GAIGNARD wrote:
>>>>> On 9/27/19 1:22 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-09-27 09:48, Benjamin Gaignard wrote:
>>>>>>> Adding always-on makes arm arch_timer claim to be an high 
>>>>>>> resolution
>>>>>>> timer.
>>>>>>> That is possible because power mode won't stop clocking the 
>>>>>>> timer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "always-on" is not about the clock. It is about the 
>>>>>> comparator.
>>>>>> The clock itself is *guaranteed* to always tick. If it didn't,
>>>>>> that'd be
>>>>>> an integration bug, and a pretty bad one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you're claiming here is that your CPU never enters a 
>>>>>> low-power
>>>>>> mode?
>>>>>> Ever? I find this very hard to believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Furthermore, claiming that always-on is the way to force the
>>>>>> arch-timer
>>>>>> to be an hrtimer is factually wrong. This is what happens *if*
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>> the only timer in the system. The only case this is true is for
>>>>>> virtual
>>>>>> machines. Anything else has a global timer somewhere that will 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> the arch timers to be used as an hrtimer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure you too have a global timer somewhere in your 
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>> Enable it, and enjoy hrtimers without having to lie about the
>>>>>> properties
>>>>>> of your system! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marc,
>>>>>
>>>>> This SoC doesn't have any other global timer. Use arch_time is 
>>>>> the
>>>>> only
>>>>> we have to provide hrtimer on this system.
>>>>
>>>> And you don't have any form of power management either? What 
>>>> happens
>>>> when
>>>> your CPU goes into idle? If your system does any form of power
>>>> management
>>>> *and* doesn't have a separate timer, it is remarkably broken.
>>>
>>> Even in low-power modes this timer is always powered and clocked so 
>>> it
>>> is working fine.
>>
>> You're missing the point again. It is not about the clock, but the
>> comparator
>> that is internal to the CPU, and not functional when the CPU is in 
>> its
>> lowest
>> power mode. See also the verbiage in [1] (44.3 STGEN functional
>> description),
>> which indicates that the clock source actually dies in low-power 
>> mode
>> (going
>> against the architecture which mandates it to be always-on).
>>
>> Also, coming back to your earlier assertion ("This SoC doesn't have
>> any other
>> global timer"): The documentation at [1] shows at least 17 timers 
>> that
>> could
>> be used and avoid this dirty hack.
>>
>> So for what it is worth, NAK to this patch.
>
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> I have listen your remarks and propose another way to solve this 
> issue:
>
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/10/9/690

I don't think you have. You're just trying to move the same dirty hack 
to
another place instead of properly describing your hardware, and Thomas
has pointed you in the same direction.

         M.
-- 
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