From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 14:47:46 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a57e5120-866c-0b27-8203-0632edda2717@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r1eyg8h6.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com>
On 12.08.21 14:20, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * David Hildenbrand:
>
>> There are some (minor) user-visible changes with this series:
>> 1. We no longer deny write access to shared libaries loaded via legacy
>> uselib(); this behavior matches modern user space e.g., via dlopen().
>> 2. We no longer deny write access to the elf interpreter after exec
>> completed, treating it just like shared libraries (which it often is).
>
> We have a persistent issue with people using cp (or similar tools) to
> replace system libraries. Since the file is truncated first, all
> relocations and global data are replaced by file contents, result in
> difficult-to-diagnose crashes. It would be nice if we had a way to
> prevent this mistake. It doesn't have to be MAP_DENYWRITE or MAP_COPY.
> It could be something completely new, like an option that turns every
> future access beyond the truncation point into a signal (rather than
> getting bad data or bad code and crashing much later).
>
> I don't know how many invalid copy operations are currently thwarted by
> the current program interpreter restriction. I doubt that lifting the
> restriction matters.
>
>> 3. We always deny write access to the file linked via /proc/pid/exe:
>> sys_prctl(PR_SET_MM_EXE_FILE) will fail if write access to the file
>> cannot be denied, and write access to the file will remain denied
>> until the link is effectivel gone (exec, termination,
>> PR_SET_MM_EXE_FILE) -- just as if exec'ing the file.
>>
>> I was wondering if we really care about permanently disabling write access
>> to the executable, or if it would be good enough to just disable write
>> access while loading the new executable during exec; but I don't know
>> the history of that -- and it somewhat makes sense to deny write access
>> at least to the main executable. With modern user space -- dlopen() -- we
>> can effectively modify the content of shared libraries while being used.
>
> Is there a difference between ET_DYN and ET_EXEC executables?
No, I don't think so. When exec'ing, the main executable will see a
deny_write_access(file); AFAIKT, that can either be ET_DYN or ET_EXEC.
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-12 12:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-08-12 8:43 [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 1/7] binfmt: don't use MAP_DENYWRITE when loading shared libraries via uselib() David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 2/7] kernel/fork: factor out atomcially replacing the current MM exe_file David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 9:17 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 3/7] kernel/fork: always deny write access to " David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 10:05 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 10:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 12:32 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 12:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-12 19:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 4/7] binfmt: remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 5/7] mm: remove VM_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 6/7] mm: ignore MAP_DENYWRITE in ksys_mmap_pgoff() David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 7/7] fs: update documentation of get_write_access() and friends David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE Florian Weimer
2021-08-12 12:47 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2021-08-12 16:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 17:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 17:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-12 17:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 18:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-12 18:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-12 18:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-13 9:05 ` David Laight
[not found] ` <87h7ft2j68.fsf@disp2133>
2021-08-13 20:51 ` Florian Weimer
2021-08-14 0:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14 0:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-14 0:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14 0:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14 1:57 ` Al Viro
2021-08-14 2:02 ` Al Viro
2021-08-14 9:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-14 7:53 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-14 19:52 ` David Laight
2021-08-26 17:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-26 21:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-26 22:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-27 8:22 ` David Laight
2021-08-27 15:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-09-01 8:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-27 10:18 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-14 3:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-17 16:48 ` Removing Mandatory Locks Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-17 16:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-18 9:34 ` Rodrigo Campos
2021-08-19 19:18 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 20:03 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-19 18:39 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 19:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-19 19:55 ` Eric Biggers
2021-08-19 20:18 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-19 21:43 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 22:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-20 8:30 ` David Laight
2021-08-23 7:55 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-08-23 8:14 ` David Laight
2021-08-20 13:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-08-20 16:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-20 2:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-20 6:36 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-20 7:14 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-20 12:27 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-20 12:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-20 13:03 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-20 13:11 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-20 16:30 ` Kees Cook
2021-08-20 19:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2021-08-20 21:29 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-21 12:45 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-23 22:15 ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-20 22:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-18 7:51 ` [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE Christian Brauner
2021-08-18 15:42 ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-19 13:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-19 14:33 ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-20 12:54 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <162943109106.9892.7426782042253067338@noble.neil.brown.name>
2021-08-20 8:25 ` David Laight
2021-08-12 19:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 18:15 ` Florian Weimer
2021-08-12 18:21 ` Linus Torvalds
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