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From: Alex Shi <alex.shi@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	tj@kernel.org, hughd@google.com, khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru,
	daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com, willy@infradead.org, lkp@intel.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, shakeelb@google.com,
	iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com, richard.weiyang@gmail.com,
	kirill@shutemov.name, alexander.duyck@gmail.com,
	rong.a.chen@intel.com, mhocko@suse.com, vdavydov.dev@gmail.com,
	shy828301@gmail.com, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v20 15/20] mm/lru: introduce TestClearPageLRU
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 11:02:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ae59cae4-48f4-a7e9-044a-86790e16e641@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201102151008.GH724984@cmpxchg.org>



在 2020/11/2 下午11:10, Johannes Weiner 写道:
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 06:45:00PM +0800, Alex Shi wrote:
>> Currently lru_lock still guards both lru list and page's lru bit, that's
>> ok. but if we want to use specific lruvec lock on the page, we need to
>> pin down the page's lruvec/memcg during locking. Just taking lruvec
>> lock first may be undermined by the page's memcg charge/migration. To
>> fix this problem, we could clear the lru bit out of locking and use
>> it as pin down action to block the page isolation in memcg changing.
> 
> Small nit, but the use of "could" in this sentence sounds like you're
> describing one possible solution that isn't being taken, when in fact
> you are describing the chosen locking mechanism.
> 
> Replacing "could" with "will" would make things a bit clearer IMO.
> 

Yes, 'will' is better here. Thanks!

>> So now a standard steps of page isolation is following:
>> 	1, get_page(); 	       #pin the page avoid to be free
>> 	2, TestClearPageLRU(); #block other isolation like memcg change
>> 	3, spin_lock on lru_lock; #serialize lru list access
>> 	4, delete page from lru list;
>> The step 2 could be optimzed/replaced in scenarios which page is
>> unlikely be accessed or be moved between memcgs.
> 
> This is a bit ominous. I'd either elaborate / provide an example /
> clarify why some sites can deal with races - or just remove that
> sentence altogether from this part of the changelog.
> 

A few scenarios here, so examples looks verbose or cann't describe whole.
Maybe removing above 2 lines "The step 2 could be optimzed/replaced in 
scenarios which page is unlikely be accessed or be moved between memcgs."
is better. 

Thanks!

>> This patch start with the first part: TestClearPageLRU, which combines
>> PageLRU check and ClearPageLRU into a macro func TestClearPageLRU. This
>> function will be used as page isolation precondition to prevent other
>> isolations some where else. Then there are may !PageLRU page on lru
>> list, need to remove BUG() checking accordingly.
>>
>> There 2 rules for lru bit now:
>> 1, the lru bit still indicate if a page on lru list, just in some
>>    temporary moment(isolating), the page may have no lru bit when
>>    it's on lru list.  but the page still must be on lru list when the
>>    lru bit set.
>> 2, have to remove lru bit before delete it from lru list.
>>
>> As Andrew Morton mentioned this change would dirty cacheline for page
>> isn't on LRU. But the lost would be acceptable in Rong Chen
>> <rong.a.chen@intel.com> report:
>> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20200304090301.GB5972@shao2-debian/
>>
>> Suggested-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
>> Signed-off-by: Alex Shi <alex.shi@linux.alibaba.com>
>> Acked-by: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
>> Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
>> Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
>> Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
>> Cc: Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
>> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
>> Cc: cgroups@vger.kernel.org
>> Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org
> 
> Acked-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
> 

Thanks!
Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-03  3:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-29 10:44 [PATCH v20 00/20] per memcg lru lock Alex Shi
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 01/20] mm/memcg: warning on !memcg after readahead page charged Alex Shi
2020-10-29 13:43   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 02/20] mm/memcg: bail early from swap accounting if memcg disabled Alex Shi
2020-10-29 13:46   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-30  2:27     ` Alex Shi
2020-10-30 14:04       ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-31  1:13         ` Alex Shi
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 03/20] mm/thp: move lru_add_page_tail func to huge_memory.c Alex Shi
2020-10-29 13:47   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 04/20] mm/thp: use head for head page in lru_add_page_tail Alex Shi
2020-10-29 13:50   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-30  2:46     ` Alex Shi
2020-10-30 13:52       ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-31  1:14         ` Alex Shi
2020-11-02 16:03       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-11-03  2:43         ` Alex Shi
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 05/20] mm/thp: Simplify lru_add_page_tail() Alex Shi
2020-10-29 14:00   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-30  2:48   ` Alex Shi
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 06/20] mm/thp: narrow lru locking Alex Shi
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 07/20] mm/vmscan: remove unnecessary lruvec adding Alex Shi
2020-11-02 14:20   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 08/20] mm: page_idle_get_page() does not need lru_lock Alex Shi
2020-11-02 14:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-11-02 14:49     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-11-02 20:20       ` Johannes Weiner
2020-11-04 11:27         ` Alex Shi
2020-11-04 17:46           ` Johannes Weiner
2020-11-05  4:52             ` Alex Shi
2020-11-05  4:57               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-11-05  5:03                 ` Alex Shi
2020-11-05 15:36                   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-11-05 15:43                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-11-06  1:11                     ` Alex Shi
2020-11-11  7:27     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 09/20] mm/memcg: add debug checking in lock_page_memcg Alex Shi
2020-11-02 14:45   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 10/20] mm/swap.c: fold vm event PGROTATED into pagevec_move_tail_fn Alex Shi
2020-11-02 14:48   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 11/20] mm/lru: move lock into lru_note_cost Alex Shi
2020-10-29 13:42   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 12/20] mm/vmscan: remove lruvec reget in move_pages_to_lru Alex Shi
2020-11-02 14:52   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-11-03  2:51     ` Alex Shi
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 13/20] mm/mlock: remove lru_lock on TestClearPageMlocked Alex Shi
2020-11-02 14:55   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:44 ` [PATCH v20 14/20] mm/mlock: remove __munlock_isolate_lru_page Alex Shi
2020-11-02 14:56   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:45 ` [PATCH v20 15/20] mm/lru: introduce TestClearPageLRU Alex Shi
2020-11-02 15:10   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-11-03  3:02     ` Alex Shi [this message]
2020-10-29 10:45 ` [PATCH v20 16/20] mm/compaction: do page isolation first in compaction Alex Shi
2020-11-02 15:18   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:45 ` [PATCH v20 17/20] mm/swap.c: serialize memcg changes in pagevec_lru_move_fn Alex Shi
2020-11-02 15:20   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:45 ` [PATCH v20 18/20] mm/lru: replace pgdat lru_lock with lruvec lock Alex Shi
2020-10-30  2:49   ` Alex Shi
2020-11-02 20:41     ` Johannes Weiner
2020-11-03  4:58       ` Alex Shi
2020-10-29 10:45 ` [PATCH v20 19/20] mm/lru: introduce the relock_page_lruvec function Alex Shi
2020-11-02 20:44   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-10-29 10:45 ` [PATCH v20 20/20] mm/lru: revise the comments of lru_lock Alex Shi
2020-11-02 20:46   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-11-04 11:55 ` [PATCH v20 00/20] per memcg lru lock Alex Shi
2020-11-04 16:59   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-11-05  5:07     ` Alex Shi

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