From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9E6C2D0DB for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404BE20838 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:34:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1579872879; bh=7L3LQxwcMn0sL99Kg9Iw/6y7YYRrD0myNYQr201fsnk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:List-ID:From; b=XSE1QzDxniScAw+oGGUfqHFF90F5z/B5rcBNfXB8dim5sZ+sZQs7NlUjJwCCk6Poq A2e3nUWmsAv4Wovg9ldy6MlcPOmQhrPHWejczfmZGrGUEQDO7+8t17dw5A4E5GakCy RFzSvVCTqlbWZwJR/ecftGO6+iQtoOT56UrvF3wc= Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2389890AbgAXNei (ORCPT ); Fri, 24 Jan 2020 08:34:38 -0500 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:48370 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S2388262AbgAXNei (ORCPT ); Fri, 24 Jan 2020 08:34:38 -0500 Received: from disco-boy.misterjones.org (disco-boy.misterjones.org [51.254.78.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45D6A2087E; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:34:37 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1579872877; bh=7L3LQxwcMn0sL99Kg9Iw/6y7YYRrD0myNYQr201fsnk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=0C+Q1CJKCYngonwYHsFw0cvUJaGwCYR31GdsPpHgLdcp/LB8OLUFNNDmAHxHHGpIS SWhInojOa2FB8a+OAO/a+YkLO9er7YMVTdy13fyo6MxGzveKs+gGtIqazSMn7xXyHh jGcMTIIkXJyvx5FXhwLAP8xmJPXwPSNy6dpASKT4= Received: from disco-boy.misterjones.org ([51.254.78.96] helo=www.loen.fr) by disco-boy.misterjones.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iuz6Z-001Bnc-HH; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:34:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:34:35 +0000 From: Marc Zyngier To: Quentin Perret Cc: Will Deacon , Mike Rapoport , Anshuman Khandual , Catalin Marinas , Russell King , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, Mike Rapoport , kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, kernel-team@android.com Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/1] arm/arm64: add support for folded p4d page tables In-Reply-To: <20200124122053.GA150292@google.com> References: <20200113111323.10463-1-rppt@kernel.org> <20200122185017.GA17321@willie-the-truck> <20200124122053.GA150292@google.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: maz@kernel.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.8 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 51.254.78.96 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: qperret@google.com, will@kernel.org, rppt@kernel.org, anshuman.khandual@arm.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com, linux@armlinux.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, rppt@linux.ibm.com, kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, kernel-team@android.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: maz@kernel.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on disco-boy.misterjones.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Quentin, On 2020-01-24 12:20, Quentin Perret wrote: > Hi Marc, > > On Wednesday 22 Jan 2020 at 18:56:38 (+0000), Marc Zyngier wrote: >> But maybe this is the reason we've all been waiting for, for which we >> sacrifice 32bit KVM host on the altar of progress, and finally move >> along. >> >> Will and I are the only known users, and that'd be a good incentive to >> experience some if this 64bit goodness... ;-) [future work for which 32bit support gets in the way] > This would a be perfectly reasonable and acceptable overhead if this > had > to be done to keep 32bit KVM host support for a real user community, > but > since it doesn't seem to exist (?), fighting with the above options > feels like a lot of wasted efforts. (Note: I am not implying that Will > and you are not real persons, but well, you see what I mean ;-)). I don't disagree at all. To be honest, I've been on the cusp of getting rid of it for a while, for multiple reasons: - It has no users (as you noticed) - It is hardly tested (a consequence of the above) - It isn't feature complete (no debug, no PMU) - It doesn't follow any of the evolution of the architecture (a more generic feature of the 32bit port, probably because people run their 64bit-capable cores in 64bit mode) - It is becoming a mess of empty stubs The maintenance aspect hasn't been a real problem so far. Even the NV support is only about 200 lines of stubs. But what you have in mind is going to be much more invasive, and I wouldn't want an unused feature to get in the way. What I may end-up doing is to send a RFC series to remove the 32bit host support from the tree during in the 5.6 cycle, targeting 5.7. If someone shouts loudly during that time frame, we keep it and you'll have to work around it. If nobody cares, then dropping it is the right thing to do. Would that be OK with you? M. -- Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...