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From: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, tglx@linutronix.de, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	rmk@arm.linux.org.uk, starvik@axis.com, ralf@linux-mips.org,
	davem@davemloft.net, cooloney@kernel.org, kyle@mcmartin.ca,
	matthew@wil.cx, grundler@parisc-linux.org, takata@linux-m32r.org,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, rth@twiddle.net,
	ink@jurassic.park.msu.ru, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH UPDATED] percpu: use dynamic percpu allocator as the default percpu allocator
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:18:08 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0904131409510.13756@qirst.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090408162651.GA14449@elte.hu>

On Wed, 8 Apr 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:

> Dude, this is a new facility freshly modernized and freshly made
> usable. What did you expect, for a thousand usecases pop up in the
> kernel overnight? _None_ of this code is "common" today per se. (the
> networking folks are working on making it more and more common
> though)

?? kfree(NULL) has been allowed for years. None of this is new.

> > Speculation. A shutdown fastpath? The percpu allocation and free
> > operations are expensive and deal with teardown and setup of
> > virtual mappings. Those paths are *not* optimized for fastpath
> > use. kfree is different.
>
> Of course a lot of this is speculation, dynamic percpu so far has
> been a rarely used facility compared to kmalloc()/kfree(). If you
> dont accept my analogy that's fine - but that is opinion against
> opinion - while you state you opinion as truism.


Please look at the kernel source for the use of percpu_free and
percpu_alloc.

> So my point remains: your patch had effects you clearly did not
> anticipate, and the cacheline alignment management situation is not
> nearly as clear-cut as you imagine it to be.

There was no effect that I did not anticipate. Just imagination on your
part that percpu_free is used like kfree.

Again: The frequent insertion of __read_mostly will
destroy the purpose and function of the read mostly areas!

> Unfortunately you failed to answer my detailed mail that made very
> specific points though, you only got into generalities and flames
> about my summary mail - so it's hard to judge what your opinion
> about those specific facts is - you have not stated one.

I was pretty clear on those points. Not sure what material question I did
not answer. What you say here fits your posts. Generalizing from kfree to
percpu_free etc...

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-13 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-10  7:53 [GIT RFC] percpu: use dynamic percpu allocator as the default percpu allocator Tejun Heo
2009-03-10  7:53 ` [PATCH 1/5] linker script: define __per_cpu_load on all SMP capable archs Tejun Heo
2009-03-10  7:53 ` [PATCH 2/5] percpu: make x86 addr <-> pcpu ptr conversion macros generic Tejun Heo
2009-03-10  7:53 ` [PATCH 3/5] percpu: more flexibility for @dyn_size of pcpu_setup_first_chunk() Tejun Heo
2009-03-10  7:53 ` [PATCH 4/5] percpu: generalize embedding first chunk setup helper Tejun Heo
2009-03-10  7:53 ` [PATCH 5/5] percpu: use dynamic percpu allocator as the default percpu allocator Tejun Heo
2009-03-10  7:57 ` test module to verify " Tejun Heo
2009-03-10 10:59 ` [GIT RFC] percpu: use dynamic percpu allocator as the default " David Miller
2009-03-11  6:03   ` Tejun Heo
2009-03-11  5:56 ` [GIT PULL] pull request for safe part Tejun Heo
2009-03-16 18:01 ` [GIT RFC] percpu: use dynamic percpu allocator as the default percpu allocator Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-20  2:35   ` Tejun Heo
2009-03-24 15:22     ` Tejun Heo
2009-03-25 11:27       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-25 11:51         ` Tejun Heo
2009-03-25 12:22           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-25 12:27             ` Tejun Heo
2009-03-25 12:39               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-25 13:13               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-25 13:21                 ` Tejun Heo
2009-03-25 13:25                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-25 13:34                     ` Tejun Heo
2009-03-31 16:54                       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-31 17:20                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-31 20:18                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-31 21:10                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-01  8:01                               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-31 19:17                         ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2009-03-31 20:19                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-31 20:29                             ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2009-04-01  0:07                         ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-01  8:10                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-01  8:17                             ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-01  8:32                               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-01  8:37                                 ` David Miller
2009-04-01  8:47                                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-01  8:50                                     ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-01  9:08                                       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-02  1:54                                         ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-01  8:53                                     ` David Miller
2009-04-01  8:53                                 ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-01 11:07                                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-02  1:57                                     ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-02  7:24                                       ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2009-04-02 11:13                                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-03  0:31                                           ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-07 16:09                                             ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2009-04-08 20:18                                               ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-09  9:47                                                 ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2009-04-09 11:53                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-11  1:38                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-11  1:52                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-02  0:20                               ` Rusty Russell
2009-03-25 14:00           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-25 14:14             ` Tejun Heo
2009-03-30 10:07               ` [PATCH UPDATED] " Tejun Heo
2009-03-30 10:42                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-01  0:08                   ` Tejun Heo
2009-03-30 11:49                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-30 14:50                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-31 16:12                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-01  0:15                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-01 13:49                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-01 15:49                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-01 18:06                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-01 19:01                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-01 19:39                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-01 20:12                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-04-02  2:13                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-01 22:32                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-01 22:57                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-04-02  2:10                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-02  2:21                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-02  3:25                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-02  3:28                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-02  2:30                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-02  2:18                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-02  3:42                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-02 13:53                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-08 16:26                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-13 18:18                                             ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2009-04-14 14:04                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-14 16:48                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-14 17:12                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-02  2:15                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-02  4:19                       ` [PATCH 1/2 x86#core/percpu] percpu: don't put the first chunk in reverse-map rbtree Tejun Heo
2009-04-02  4:21                         ` [PATCH 2/2 x86#core/percpu] percpu: remove rbtree and use page->index instead Tejun Heo
2009-04-08 17:03                           ` [tip:core/percpu] " Christoph Lameter
2009-04-08 17:03                         ` [tip:core/percpu] percpu: don't put the first chunk in reverse-map rbtree Tejun Heo
2009-03-31 16:14                     ` [PATCH UPDATED] percpu: use dynamic percpu allocator as the default percpu allocator Christoph Lameter
2009-04-01  0:18                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-03-31  1:34                   ` Rusty Russell
2009-03-31 22:57                     ` David Miller
2009-03-31 23:49                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-04-01  0:19                       ` Tejun Heo

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