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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	mhocko@kernel.org, ying.huang@intel.com, s.priebe@profihost.ag,
	mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	alex.williamson@redhat.com, lkp@01.org, kirill@shutemov.name,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	zi.yan@cs.rutgers.edu, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [LKP] [mm] ac5b2c1891: vm-scalability.throughput -61.3% regression
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:57:55 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1812031452280.253907@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whDg5+e2-eXYo-jwC1spt2r7JjLQSaLm4OyfGMQHLTrdw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Side note: I think maybe people should just look at that whole
> compaction logic for that block, because it doesn't make much sense to
> me:
> 
>                 /*
>                  * Checks for costly allocations with __GFP_NORETRY, which
>                  * includes THP page fault allocations
>                  */
>                 if (costly_order && (gfp_mask & __GFP_NORETRY)) {
>                         /*
>                          * If compaction is deferred for high-order allocations,
>                          * it is because sync compaction recently failed. If
>                          * this is the case and the caller requested a THP
>                          * allocation, we do not want to heavily disrupt the
>                          * system, so we fail the allocation instead of entering
>                          * direct reclaim.
>                          */
>                         if (compact_result == COMPACT_DEFERRED)
>                                 goto nopage;
> 
>                         /*
>                          * Looks like reclaim/compaction is worth trying, but
>                          * sync compaction could be very expensive, so keep
>                          * using async compaction.
>                          */
>                         compact_priority = INIT_COMPACT_PRIORITY;
>                 }
> 
> this is where David wants to add *his* odd test, and I think everybody
> looks at that added case
> 
> +                       if (order == pageblock_order &&
> +                                       !(current->flags & PF_KTHREAD))
> +                               goto nopage;
> 
> and just goes "Eww".
> 
> But I think the real problem is that it's the "goto nopage" thing that
> makes _sense_, and the current cases for "let's try compaction" that
> are the odd ones, and then David adds one new special case for the
> sensible behavior.
> 
> For example, why would COMPACT_DEFERRED mean "don't bother", but not
> all the other reasons it didn't really make sense?
> 
> So does it really make sense to fall through AT ALL to that "retry"
> case, when we explicitly already had (gfp_mask & __GFP_NORETRY)?
> 
> Maybe the real fix is to instead of adding yet another special case
> for "goto nopage", it should just be unconditional: simply don't try
> to compact large-pages if __GFP_NORETRY was set.
> 

I think what is intended, which may not be represented by the code, is 
that if compaction is not suitable (__compaction_suitable() returns 
COMPACT_SKIPPED because of failing watermarks) that for non-hugepage 
allocations reclaim may be useful.  We just want to reclaim memory so that 
memory compaction has pages available for migration targets.

Note the same caveat I keep bringing up still applies, though: if reclaim 
frees memory that is iterated over by the compaction migration scanner, it 
was pointless.  That is a memory compaction implementation detail and can 
lead to a lot of unnecessary reclaim (or even thrashing) if unmovable page 
fragmentation cause compaction to fail even after it has migrated 
everything it could.  I think the likelihood of that happening increases 
by the allocation order.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-03 22:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-27  6:25 [LKP] [mm] ac5b2c1891: vm-scalability.throughput -61.3% regression kernel test robot
2018-11-27 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-27 18:17   ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-27 18:21     ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-27 19:05   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-11-27 19:16     ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-11-27 20:57   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-11-27 22:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-28  6:30       ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-28  3:20     ` Huang, Ying
2018-11-28 16:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-28 18:39         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-11-28 23:10         ` David Rientjes
2018-12-03 18:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 18:14           ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 18:19             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 18:30               ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 18:45                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 18:59                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 19:23                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-03 20:26                       ` David Rientjes
2018-12-03 19:28                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 20:12                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-03 20:36                         ` David Rientjes
2018-12-03 22:04                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 22:27                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 22:57                             ` David Rientjes [this message]
2018-12-04  9:22                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-12-04 10:45                               ` Mel Gorman
2018-12-05  0:47                                 ` David Rientjes
2018-12-05  9:08                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-05 10:43                                     ` Mel Gorman
2018-12-05 11:43                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-05 10:06                                 ` Mel Gorman
2018-12-05 20:40                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-05 21:59                                   ` David Rientjes
2018-12-06  0:00                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-05 22:03                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-05 22:12                                     ` David Rientjes
2018-12-05 23:36                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-05 23:51                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-06  0:58                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-06  9:14                                           ` MADV_HUGEPAGE vs. NUMA semantic (was: Re: [LKP] [mm] ac5b2c1891: vm-scalability.throughput -61.3% regression) Michal Hocko
2018-12-06 23:49                                             ` David Rientjes
2018-12-07  7:34                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-07  4:31                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-07  7:49                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-07  9:06                                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-12-07 23:15                                                   ` David Rientjes
2018-12-06 23:43                                           ` [LKP] [mm] ac5b2c1891: vm-scalability.throughput -61.3% regression David Rientjes
2018-12-07  4:01                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-10  0:29                                               ` David Rientjes
2018-12-10  4:49                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-12  0:37                                                   ` David Rientjes
2018-12-12  9:50                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-12 17:00                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-14 11:32                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-12 10:14                                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-12-14 21:04                                                       ` David Rientjes
2018-12-14 21:33                                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-12-21 22:18                                                           ` David Rientjes
2018-12-22 12:08                                                             ` Mel Gorman
2018-12-14 23:11                                                         ` Mel Gorman
2018-12-21 22:15                                                           ` David Rientjes
2018-12-12 10:44                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-04-15 11:48                                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-06  0:18                                       ` David Rientjes
2018-12-06  0:54                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-06  9:23                                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-12-03 20:39                     ` David Rientjes
2018-12-03 21:25                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 21:53                         ` David Rientjes
2018-12-04  8:48                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-05  0:07                             ` David Rientjes
2018-12-05 10:18                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-05 19:16                                 ` David Rientjes
2018-11-27  7:23 kernel test robot

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