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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 04/44] posix-cpu-timers: Fixup stale comment
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 15:31:39 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1908211525150.2223@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190820225604.GI2093@lenoir>

On Wed, 21 Aug 2019, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:43:26PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > No it can't do that throughout posix_cpu_timer_del() because exit_itimers()
> > can only look at current->signal->posix_timers which does not contain the
> > posix timers owned by a different task/process.
> > 
> > We could of course invoke posix_cpu_timers_exit() from exit_itimers() but
> > does that buy anything?
> >  
> > > It would make things more simple to delete the timer off the target from
> > > the same caller and place and we could remove posix_cpu_timers_exit*().
> > 
> > We can't. The foreign owned cpu timers are not in cur->signal->posix_timers
> > so how should we invoke posix_cpu_timer_del() on them. Only the owner task
> > can. The only thing the exiting task can do is to remove the foreign timer
> > from it's expiry list which has nothing to do with cur->signal->posix_timers.
> 
> That's exactly what I'm proposing. I think you're misunderstanding me.
> 
> I want the owner to handle all the list deletion work from the target.
> 
> Ok let's imagine a timer $ITIMER, owned by task $OWNER and whose target is task $TARGET.
> 
> So it's enqueued on $OWNER->signal->posix_timers and $TARGET->cputime_expires.
> 
> Two scenarios can happen:
> 
> 1) $TARGET exits first and is released. So it calls posix_cpu_timers_exit()
>    which deletes $ITIMER from $TARGET->cputime_expires.
> 
>    Later on, $OWNER exits and calls exit_itimers() -> timer_delete_hook($ITIMER)
>    -> posix_cpu_timer_del($ITIMER). It finds $TARGET as the target of $ITIMER but no
>    more sighand. So it returns.
> 
> 2) $OWNER exits first and calls exit_itimer() -> timer_delete_hook($ITIMER)
>    -> posix_cpu_timer_del($ITIMER). It finds $TARGET as the target of $ITIMER and it
>    finds a sighand to lock. So it deletes $ITIMER from $TARGET->cputime_expires
>    (see list_del(&timer->it.cpu.entry)).
> 
> 
> So I propose to change the behaviour of case 1) so that $TARGET doesn't call
> posix_cpu_timers_exit(). We instead wait for $OWNER to exit and call
> exit_itimers()  -> timer_delete_hook($ITIMER) -> posix_cpu_timer_del($ITIMER).
> It is going to find $TARGET as the target of $ITIMER but no more sighand. Then
> finally it removes $ITIMER from $TARGET->cputime_expires.
> We basically do the same thing as in 2) but without locking sighand since it's NULL
> on $TARGET at this time.

But what do we win with that? Horrors like this:

task A		task B	   	task C

     		arm_timer(A)	arm_timer(A)

do_exit()

		del_timer(A)	del_timer(A)
		no sighand	no_sighand
		 list_del()       list_del()

Guess how well concurrent list deletion works.

We must remove armed timers from the task/signal _before_ dropping sighand,
really.

Thanks,

	tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-21 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-19 14:31 [patch 00/44] posix-cpu-timers: Cleanup and consolidation Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 01/44] posix-timers: Cleanup forward declarations and includes Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 12:20   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-20 13:03     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 13:48   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 02/44] alarmtimers: Avoid rtc.h include Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 13:49   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 03/44] posix-timer: Use a callback for cancel synchronization Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20  2:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-20 13:08     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 13:59   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] posix-timers: Use a callback for cancel synchronization on PREEMPT_RT tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 04/44] posix-cpu-timers: Fixup stale comment Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 14:26   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-20 17:57     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 20:48       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-20 21:43         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 22:56           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-21 13:31             ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2019-08-21 15:51               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 05/44] posix-cpu-timers: Sanitize bogus WARNONS Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-21 11:34   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 06/44] posix-cpu-timers: Remove tsk argument from run_posix_cpu_timers() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-21 11:36   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 07/44] posix-cpu-timers: Simplify sighand locking in run_posix_cpu_timers() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-21 12:09   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-21 13:25     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-21 15:42       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-21 17:13         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 08/44] posix-cpu-timers: Provide task validation functions Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 09/44] posix-cpu-timers: Use common permission check in posix_cpu_clock_get() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 10/44] posix-cpu-timers: Use common permission check in posix_cpu_timer_create() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 11/44] posix-cpu-timers: Provide quick sample function for itimer Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 12/44] itimers: Use quick sample function Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 13/44] posix-cpu-timers: Sample directly in timer check Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 14/44] posix-cpu-timers: Rename thread_group_cputimer() and make it static Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 15/44] posix-cpu-timer: Comsolidate thread group sample code Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 19:07   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 16/44] posix-cpu-timers: Use clock ID in posix_cpu_timer_set() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 17/44] posix-cpu-timers: Use clock ID in posix_cpu_timer_get() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 18/44] posix-cpu-timers: Use clock ID in posix_cpu_timer_rearm() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 19/44] posix-cpu-timer: Remove pointless return value check Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 20/44] posix-cpu-timers: Simplify sample functions Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 21/44] posix-cpu-timers: Get rid of pointer indirection Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 22/44] posix-cpu-timers: Sample task times once in expiry check Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 23/44] posix-cpu-timers: Move prof/virt_ticks into caller Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 24/44] posix-cpu-timers: Create a container struct Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 25/44] sched: Move struct task_cputime to types.h Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 26/44] posix-cpu-timers: Move expiry cache into struct posix_cputimers Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 27/44] posix-cpu-timers: Provide array based access to expiry cache Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 19:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-20 20:22     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 28/44] posix-cpu-timers: Simplify timer queueing Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 29/44] posix-cpu-timers: Simplify set_process_cpu_timer() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 30/44] posix-cpu-timers: Switch check_*_timers() to array cache Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 31/44] posix-cpu-timers: Remove the odd field rename defines Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 32/44] posix-cpu-timers: Provide array based sample functions Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 33/44] posix-cpu-timers: Make expiry checks array based Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 34/44] posix-cpu-timers: Remove cputime_expires Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 35/44] posix-cpu-timers: Switch thread group sampling to array Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 36/44] posix-cpu-timers: Get rid of zero checks Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 37/44] posix-cpu-timers: Consolidate timer expiry further Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 38/44] posix-cpu-timers: Respect INFINITY for hard RTTIME limit Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 20:06   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-19 20:29     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 39/44] posix-cpu-timers: Get rid of 64bit divisions Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 40/44] posix-cpu-timers: Remove pointless comparisions Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 20:10   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 41/44] posix-cpu-timers: Deduplicate rlimit handling Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 42/44] posix-cpu-timers: Move state tracking to struct posix_cputimers Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 19:13   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-19 20:29     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 43/44] posix-cpu-timers: Utilize timerqueue for storage Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 44/44] posix-cpu-timers: Expire timers directly Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 19:09   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-20 13:07   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20  2:18 ` [patch 00/44] posix-cpu-timers: Cleanup and consolidation Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-20 13:09   ` Thomas Gleixner

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