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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Linux Kernel Developers List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Ext3 latency fixes
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:06:39 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0904040901330.3915@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0904040854470.3915@localhost.localdomain>



On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > 
> > Big nack on this patch. Ted, this is EXACTLY where I told you we saw big
> > write regressions (sqlite performance drops by a factor of 4-5). Do a
> > git log on fs/buffer.c and see the original patch (which does what your
> > patch does) and the later revert. No idea why you are now suggestion
> > making that exact change?!
> 
> Jens, if I can re-create the 'fsync' times (I haven't yet), then the 
> default scheduler _will_ be switched to AS.

Btw, that patch is "obviously correct".

That write we're submitting is very much a synchronous write. After all, 
the code is literally

	ret = submit_bh(WRITE, bh);
	wait_on_buffer(bh);

and it just doesn't get any more synchronous than that. If we don't start 
the IO immediately (since we're _waiting_ for it immediately), we're 
broken. 

Now, if we need to fix some mysql throughput issue as a result, then I'd 
suggest that we look at whether "sync_dirty_buffer()" is sometimes called 
when it doesn't need to be od (b) whether perhaps the unplugging behavior 
is simply buggy in some other way.

But Ted's patch makes so much sense on a purely conceptual level, that 
when you look at the patch, you should almost not even need to see the 
performance numbers to know it's right. But together with the numbers Ted 
posted, it's a total no-brainer. CFQ is clearly broken here, and it's 
pretty clear that apparently CFQ has been tuned (improperly) purely for 
throughput.

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-04 16:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-03  7:01 [GIT PULL] Ext3 latency fixes Theodore Ts'o
2009-04-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 1/4] block_write_full_page: Use synchronous writes for WBC_SYNC_ALL writebacks Theodore Ts'o
2009-04-03  7:01   ` [PATCH 2/4] ext3: Use WRITE_SYNC for commits which are caused by fsync() Theodore Ts'o
2009-04-03  7:01     ` [PATCH 3/4] ext3: Add replace-on-truncate hueristics for data=writeback mode Theodore Ts'o
2009-04-03  7:01       ` [PATCH 4/4] ext3: Add replace-on-rename " Theodore Ts'o
2009-04-03 18:24 ` [GIT PULL] Ext3 latency fixes Linus Torvalds
2009-04-03 18:47   ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-03 19:13     ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-03 21:01     ` Chris Mason
2009-04-03 19:02   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-03 20:41     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-04 13:57       ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-04 15:16         ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-04 15:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-04 16:06             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-04-04 17:36               ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-04 17:34             ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-04 17:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-04 18:00                 ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-04 18:01                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-04 18:10                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-04 23:22                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-04 23:33                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-05  0:10                       ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-05 15:05                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-05 17:01                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-05 17:15                           ` Mark Lord
2009-04-05 20:57                             ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-05 23:48                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-06  2:32                                 ` Mark Lord
2009-04-06  5:47                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-07 18:18                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-07 18:22                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-07 19:40                                     ` [PATCH libata: add SSD detection hueristic; move SSD setup to ata_dev_configure (was Re: [GIT PULL] Ext3 latency fixes) Jeff Garzik
2009-04-09 18:21                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-18  3:02                                         ` George Spelvin
2009-04-06  8:13                             ` [GIT PULL] Ext3 latency fixes Jens Axboe
2009-04-05 18:56                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-05 19:34                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-05 20:06                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-06  6:25                               ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-06  6:05                           ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-06  6:23                           ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-06  8:16                       ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 14:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-06 15:09                           ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-06  6:15                     ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-04 20:18               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-06 21:50                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-04-07 13:31                   ` Mark Lord
2009-04-07 14:48                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-04-07 19:21                       ` Mark Lord
2009-04-07 19:57                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-04-04 20:56               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-06  7:06                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-07 15:39             ` Indan Zupancic
2009-04-04 19:18           ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-06  8:12             ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-04 22:13         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-04 22:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-05  0:20           ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-03 19:54   ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-08 23:40 Theodore Ts'o
2009-04-09 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-09 16:23   ` Chris Mason
2009-04-09 17:49     ` Jan Kara
2009-04-09 18:10       ` Chris Mason
2009-04-09 19:04         ` Jan Kara
2009-04-09 17:36   ` Jan Kara

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