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From: P J P <ppandit@redhat.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, halfdog <me@halfdog.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] exec: do not leave bprm->interp on stack
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:34:30 +0530 (IST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1211201200390.5842@wniryva.cad.erqung.pbz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jKY90dsnUjLcjC43Djoe53HEAffugtaEfsBphtp7j_A7g@mail.gmail.com>

+-- On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Kees Cook wrote --+
| I don't think you're being rude at all. You're defending your solution. :)

  Thank you Kees, really appreciate it.
 
| However, it also changes the conditions for when a module is loaded
| (i.e. 0x7f no longer triggers a module_load, so anything needing that
| would break -- I'm not sure if this really qualifies for ABI breakage,
| I don't use any obscure binfmt modules so I can't say).

   Ah right.
 
| And, most importantly, it triggers request_module for any binary with
| unprintables that binfmt_misc may already handle (for example, the
| very common case of handling DOS MZ files, which only define 2 bytes
| as magic (MZ) and exampes I find show things like "@\x00" trailing it,
| or JAR files which are PK\x03\x04). Which means each exec of these
| kinds of files would trigger a needless request_module() call on every
| exec.

   Hmmn...true.
 
| Both the interp-on-heap patch and this proposed ELOOP patch are needed
| to handle the case of binfmt_script and/or binfmt_misc being modules
| (first binfmt walk fails with -ENOEXEC, loads binfmt_script, retries
| loop, hits binfmt_script rewriting interp to a PE file, recurses,
| fails with -ENOEXEC, loads binfmt_misc via a modalias for PE files,
| retries loop, hits binfmt_misc rewriting interp to an ELF, recurses,
| loads ELF, happiness). Without the heap patch, we could be pointing
| into old stack (rewritten e.g. during module load or taking an
| interrupt, etc) on the loop retries. Without the ELOOP patch, the
| recursion could explode with an abusive script chain.

  I see! Thanks so much for explaining Kees, I appreciate it.

Thank you.
--
Prasad J Pandit / Red Hat Security Response Team
DB7A 84C5 D3F9 7CD1 B5EB  C939 D048 7860 3655 602B

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-20  7:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-24 23:20 [PATCH] exec: do not leave bprm->interp on stack Kees Cook
2012-10-25  4:16 ` Al Viro
2012-10-25  6:21   ` Kees Cook
2012-10-25 11:46     ` P J P
2012-10-25 12:03       ` Tetsuo Handa
2012-10-25 12:57         ` P J P
2012-10-25 12:09       ` Al Viro
2012-10-25 12:38         ` Al Viro
2012-10-26 17:38           ` P J P
2012-10-26 18:36             ` Al Viro
2012-10-27 10:47               ` P J P
2012-10-27 17:05                 ` Kees Cook
2012-10-27 20:16                   ` P J P
2012-10-28  3:32                     ` Kees Cook
2012-11-06  8:10                       ` P J P
2012-11-12 22:10                         ` Kees Cook
2012-11-13  6:50                           ` halfdog
2012-11-16 12:50                           ` P J P
2012-11-16 18:00                             ` Kees Cook
2012-11-18 19:04                               ` P J P
2012-11-18 19:34                                 ` Kees Cook
2012-11-19  6:57                                   ` P J P
2012-11-19 20:41                                     ` Kees Cook
2012-11-20  7:04                                       ` P J P [this message]
2012-11-22 20:06                                       ` P J P
2012-11-23 18:43                                       ` P J P
2012-11-23 23:12                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
     [not found]                                       ` <alpine.LFD.2.02.1211221934220.19768@wniryva.cad.erqung.pbz>
     [not found]                                         ` <CAGXu5jL8zCt5ghW4ODPL9+SyC9+mbuw=4JMUngepY5fC8pSikQ@mail.gmail.com>
2012-11-26  7:09                                           ` P J P
     [not found]                                     ` <CA+55aFx3LFH5Xj1OkNoy7vN5w8y5tH39MUDujKqF3BdnmYibLQ@mail.gmail.com>
2012-11-20  7:08                                       ` P J P

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