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From: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
To: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>
Cc: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tj@kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, andi@firstfloor.org,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, pavel@ucw.cz, jirislaby@gmail.com,
	Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>, Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
	Udo Seidel <udoseidel@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -repost 05/21] kgr: update Kconfig documentation
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:34:03 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1406261030210.15939@pobox.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53ABD8FB.9000700@suse.cz>

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014, Jiri Slaby wrote:

> >> ---
> >>  kernel/Kconfig.kgraft | 3 +++
> >>  samples/Kconfig       | 4 ++++
> >>  2 files changed, 7 insertions(+)
> >>
> >> diff --git a/kernel/Kconfig.kgraft b/kernel/Kconfig.kgraft
> >> index f38d82c06580..bead93646071 100644
> >> --- a/kernel/Kconfig.kgraft
> >> +++ b/kernel/Kconfig.kgraft
> >> @@ -5,3 +5,6 @@ config KGRAFT
> >>  	bool "kGraft infrastructure"
> >>  	depends on DYNAMIC_FTRACE_WITH_REGS
> >>  	depends on HAVE_KGRAFT
> >> +	help
> >> +	  Select this to enable kGraft online kernel patching. The
> >> +	  runtime price is zero, so it is safe to say Y here.
> >> diff --git a/samples/Kconfig b/samples/Kconfi
> > 
> > The runtime impact is that you've just introduced a virus and trojan
> > writers delight into your kernel. There's a balance between convenience
> > and security but given most users will never use kgraft this advice seems
> > incorrect.
> 
> This now writes:
> +       help
> +         Select this to enable kGraft online kernel patching. The
> +         runtime price is nearly zero, so it is safe to say Y here
> +         provided you are aware of all the consequences (e.g. in
> +         security).
> 
> Is it OK with you?

This might cause a false impression that we are actually opening a 
security hole into a system, which is not true at all.

Yes, backdoor writeres might (or might not) make use of kGraft API, but 
they have gazillion of other comparable options (*probes, ftrace, 
text_poke(), ...).

I'd perhaps propose something like

"Select this to enable kGraft live kernel patching. The runtime penalty is 
nearly zero, so it is safe to say Y here if you want the kernel to expose 
API for live patching to modules".

-- 
Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-26  8:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-25 11:06 [PATCH -repost 01/21] ftrace: Add function to find fentry of function Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:06 ` [PATCH -repost 02/21] ftrace: Make ftrace_is_dead available globally Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:06 ` [PATCH -repost 03/21] kgr: initial code Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:06 ` [PATCH -repost 04/21] kgr: add testing kgraft patch Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:06 ` [PATCH -repost 05/21] kgr: update Kconfig documentation Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 12:42   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-06-26  8:25     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-06-26  8:34       ` Jiri Kosina [this message]
2014-06-27 19:18         ` Pavel Machek
2014-07-04  9:14           ` Jiri Slaby
2014-07-04 10:35             ` Pavel Machek
2014-07-05 19:47               ` Jiri Kosina
2014-07-06 12:35                 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 06/21] kgr: add Documentation Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 07/21] kgr: trigger the first check earlier Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 08/21] kgr: sched.h, introduce kgr_task_safe helper Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 09/21] kgr: mark task_safe in some kthreads Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 10/21] kgr: kthreads support Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 11/21] kgr: handle irqs Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 12/21] kgr: add MAINTAINERS entry Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 13/21] kgr: x86: refuse to build without fentry support Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 14/21] kgr: add procfs interface for per-process 'kgr_in_progress' Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 15/21] kgr: make a per-process 'in progress' flag a single bit Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 16/21] kgr: add support for missing functions Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 17/21] kgr: exercise non-present function Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 18/21] kgr: fix race of stub and patching Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 19/21] kgr: expose global 'in_progress' state through procfs Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 20/21] kgr: rephrase the "kGraft failed" message Jiri Slaby
2014-06-25 11:07 ` [PATCH -repost 21/21] kgr: x86: optimize handling of CPU-bound tasks Jiri Slaby

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