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From: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	jeyu@redhat.com, pmladek@suse.com, jslaby@suse.cz,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	huawei.libin@huawei.com, minfei.huang@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] livepatch: allow removal of a disabled patch
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 13:58:47 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1605041343570.22292@pobox.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160504033619.5osteklgal3ixcbo@treble>

On Tue, 3 May 2016, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:

> On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 09:39:48PM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 12:31:12AM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> > > On Tue, 3 May 2016, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > 1. Do we really need a completion? If I am not missing something
> > > > > kobject_del() always waits for sysfs callers to leave thanks to kernfs
> > > > > active protection.
> > > > 
> > > > What do you mean by "kernfs active protection"?  I see that
> > > > kernfs_remove() gets the kernfs_mutex lock, but I can't find anywhere
> > > > that a write to a sysfs file uses that lock.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm probably missing something...
> > > 
> > > I don't want to speak on Miroslav's behalf, but I'm pretty sure that what 
> > > he has on mind is per-kernfs_node active refcounting kernfs does (see 
> > > kernfs_node->active, and especially it's usage in __kernfs_remove()).
> > > 
> > > More specifically, execution of store() and show() sysfs callbacks is 
> > > guaranteed (by kernfs) to happen with that particular attribute's active 
> > > reference held for reading (and that makes it impossible for that 
> > > attribute to vanish prematurely).
> > 
> > Thanks, that makes sense.
> > 
> > So what exactly is the problem the completion is trying to solve?  Is it
> > to ensure that the kobject has been cleaned up before it returns to the
> > caller, in case the user wants to call klp_register() again after
> > unregistering?
> > 
> > If so, that's quite an unusual use case which I think we should just
> > consider unsupported.  In fact, if you try to do it, kobject_init()
> > complains loudly because kobj->state_initialized is still 1 because
> > kobjects aren't meant to be reused like that.
> 
> ... and now I realize the point is actually to prevent the caller from
> freeing klp_patch before kobject_cleanup() runs.

Exactly. Sorry I was so brief.

> So yeah, it looks like we need the completion in case
> CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT_RELEASE is enabled.
> 
> Or alternatively we could convert patch->kobj to be dynamically
> allocated instead of embedded in klp_patch.

But that wouldn't help, would it? Dynamic kobjects registers generic 
release function dynamic_kobj_release() and that's it. We're in the same 
situation. I have got a feeling that dynamic kobjects are only for trivial 
cases.

Moreover we use container_of() several times in the code and that does not
work with dynamically allocated kobjects.

Anyway I am really confused now. When I read changelog of c817a67ecba7 
("kobject: delayed kobject release: help find buggy drivers") all makes 
perfect sense. But isn't our situation somewhat special, because we have 
refcounts completely under control? So we know that once we call 
kobject_put() we can let a patch go... I must be missing something.

It does not make sense to introduce completion just to satisfy a feature 
which was introduced to debug general cases.

Miroslav

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-04 11:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-02 11:57 [RFC PATCH] livepatch: allow removal of a disabled patch Miroslav Benes
2016-05-02 15:08 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-03  8:16   ` Miroslav Benes
2016-05-31 23:13     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-05-03 21:37 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-03 22:31   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-05-04  2:39     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-04  3:36       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-04 11:58         ` Miroslav Benes [this message]
2016-05-04 13:14           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-04 14:35             ` Miroslav Benes
2016-05-04 16:14               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-05  8:28                 ` Miroslav Benes
2016-05-05 13:27                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-05 14:25                     ` Miroslav Benes
2016-05-05 15:04                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-05 21:08                         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-05-06  0:42                         ` Jessica Yu
2016-05-06  7:51                           ` Miroslav Benes

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