From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759830AbcIMSl1 (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:41:27 -0400 Received: from mail-qk0-f173.google.com ([209.85.220.173]:36571 "EHLO mail-qk0-f173.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755335AbcIMSl0 (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:41:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [RFCv3][PATCH 3/5] arm64: Implement ARCH_HAS_FORCE_CACHE To: Will Deacon References: <1473715978-11633-1-git-send-email-labbott@redhat.com> <1473715978-11633-4-git-send-email-labbott@redhat.com> <20160913091946.GB7467@arm.com> <27805ccf-1f2d-81ea-044e-b21207be8e7f@redhat.com> <20160913151325.GF17731@arm.com> Cc: Sumit Semwal , John Stultz , =?UTF-8?Q?Arve_Hj=c3=b8nnev=c3=a5g?= , Riley Andrews , Daniel Vetter , linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org, devel@driverdev.osuosl.org, Russell King , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Catalin Marinas , Eun Taik Lee , Rohit kumar , Liviu Dudau , Jon Medhurst , Jeremy Gebben , Bryan Huntsman , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Android Kernel Team , Arnd Bergmann From: Laura Abbott Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 11:41:19 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160913151325.GF17731@arm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 09/13/2016 08:14 AM, Will Deacon wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 08:02:20AM -0700, Laura Abbott wrote: >> On 09/13/2016 02:19 AM, Will Deacon wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 02:32:56PM -0700, Laura Abbott wrote: >>>> >>>> arm64 may need to guarantee the caches are synced. Implement versions of >>>> the kernel_force_cache API to allow this. >>>> >>>> Signed-off-by: Laura Abbott >>>> --- >>>> v3: Switch to calling cache operations directly instead of relying on >>>> DMA mapping. >>>> --- >>>> arch/arm64/include/asm/cacheflush.h | 8 ++++++++ >>>> arch/arm64/mm/cache.S | 24 ++++++++++++++++++++---- >>>> arch/arm64/mm/flush.c | 11 +++++++++++ >>>> 3 files changed, 39 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) >>> >>> I'm really hesitant to expose these cache routines as an API solely to >>> support a driver sitting in staging/. I appreciate that there's a chicken >>> and egg problem here, but we *really* don't want people using these routines >>> in preference to the DMA API, and I fear that we'll simply grow a bunch >>> more users of these things if we promote it as an API like you're proposing. >>> >>> Can the code not be contained under staging/, as part of ion? >>> >> >> I proposed that in V1 and it was suggested I make it a proper API >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/driverdev-devel@linuxdriverproject.org/msg47654.html >> http://www.mail-archive.com/driverdev-devel@linuxdriverproject.org/msg47672.html > > :/ then I guess we're in disagreement. If ion really needs this stuff > (which I don't fully grok), perhaps we should be exposing something at > a higher level from the architecture, so it really can't be used for > anything other than ion. I talked/complained about this at a past plumbers. The gist is that Ion ends up acting as a fake DMA layer for clients. It doesn't match nicely because clients can allocate both coherent and non-coherent memory. Trying to use dma_map doesn't work because a) a device for coherency isn't known at allocation time b) it kills performance. Part of the motivation for taking this approach is to avoid the need to rework the existing Android userspace and keep the existing behavior, as terrible as it is. Having Ion out of staging and not actually usable isn't helpful. I'll give this all some more thought and hopefully have one or two more proposals before Connect/Plumbers. > > Will > Thanks, Laura