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From: "Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>
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	"Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 15/16] x86/virt/tdx: Flush cache in kexec() when TDX is enabled
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 00:13:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b84232220d03889321248ffb82739c64204cc4af.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <944ffd4b-3090-e068-a649-b9a84add8395@intel.com>

On Tue, 2023-01-10 at 07:27 -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 1/10/23 03:29, Huang, Kai wrote:
> > On Fri, 2023-01-06 at 16:35 -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > > On 12/8/22 22:52, Kai Huang wrote:
> ...
> > > > However, this implementation doesn't convert TDX private pages back to
> > > > normal in kexec() because of below considerations:
> > > > 
> > > > 1) Neither the kernel nor the TDX module has existing infrastructure to
> > > >    track which pages are TDX private pages.
> > > > 2) The number of TDX private pages can be large, and converting all of
> > > >    them (cache flush + using MOVDIR64B to clear the page) in kexec() can
> > > >    be time consuming.
> > > > 3) The new kernel will almost only use KeyID 0 to access memory.  KeyID
> > > >    0 doesn't support integrity-check, so it's OK.
> > > > 4) The kernel doesn't (and may never) support MKTME.  If any 3rd party
> > > >    kernel ever supports MKTME, it can/should do MOVDIR64B to clear the
> > > >    page with the new MKTME KeyID (just like TDX does) before using it.
> > > 
> > > Yeah, why are we getting all worked up about MKTME when there is not
> > > support?
> > 
> > I am not sure whether we need to consider 3rd party kernel case?
> 
> No, we don't.

Good to know.

> 
> > > The only thing that matters here is dirty cacheline writeback.  There
> > > are two things the kernel needs to do to mitigate that:
> > > 
> > >  1. Stop accessing TDX private memory mappings
> > >   1a. Stop making TDX module calls (uses global private KeyID)
> > >   1b. Stop TDX guests from running (uses per-guest KeyID)
> > >  2. Flush any cachelines from previous private KeyID writes
> > > 
> > > There are a couple of ways we can do #2.  We do *NOT* need to convert
> > > *ANYTHING* back to KeyID 0.  Page conversion doesn't even come into play
> > > in any way as far as I can tell.
> > 
> > May I ask why?  When I was writing this patch I was not sure whether kexec()
> > should give the new kernel a clean slate.  SGX driver doesn't EREMOVE all EPC
> > during kexec() but depends on the new kernel to do that too, but I don't know
> > what's the general guide of supporting kexec().
> 
> Think about it this way: kexec() is modifying persistent (across kexec)
> state to get the system ready for the new kernel.  The caches are
> persistent state.  Devices have persistent state.  Memory state persists
> across kexec().  The memory integrity metadata persists.
> 
> What persistent state does a conversion to KeyID-0 affect?  It resets
> the integrity metadata and the memory contents.
> 
> Kexec leaves memory contents in place and doesn't zero them, so memory
> contents don't matter.  The integrity metadata also doesn't matter
> because the memory will be used as KeyID-0 and that KeyID doesn't read
> the integrity metadata.

Right.  So I guess we just need to call out the new kernel will use memory as
KeyID-0?

> 
> What practical impact does a conversion back to KeyID-0 serve?  What
> persistent state does it affect that matters?

If we can be sure the new kernel will use KeyID-0, then we don't need to
convert.  In the 3) and 4) in my changelog, I actually was trying to convery
this.
  
> 
> > > I think you're also saying that since all CPUs go through this path and
> > > there is no TDX activity between the WBINVD and the native_halt() that
> > > 1a and 1b basically happen for "free" without needing to do theme
> > > explicitly.
> > 
> > Yes.  Should we mention this part in changelog?
> 
> That would be nice.
> 

Will do.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-11  0:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-09  6:52 [PATCH v8 00/16] TDX host kernel support Kai Huang
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 01/16] x86/tdx: Define TDX supported page sizes as macros Kai Huang
2023-01-06 19:04   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 02/16] x86/virt/tdx: Detect TDX during kernel boot Kai Huang
2023-01-06 17:09   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-08 22:25     ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 03/16] x86/virt/tdx: Make INTEL_TDX_HOST depend on X86_X2APIC Kai Huang
2023-01-06 19:04   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 04/16] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to initialize TDX on demand Kai Huang
2023-01-06 17:14   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-08 22:26     ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 05/16] x86/virt/tdx: Implement functions to make SEAMCALL Kai Huang
2023-01-06 17:29   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-09 10:30     ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-09 19:54       ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-09 22:10         ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 06/16] x86/virt/tdx: Get information about TDX module and TDX-capable memory Kai Huang
2023-01-06 17:46   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-09 10:25     ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-09 19:52       ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-09 22:07         ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-09 22:11           ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 07/16] x86/virt/tdx: Use all system memory when initializing TDX module as TDX memory Kai Huang
2023-01-06 18:18   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-09 11:48     ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-09 16:51       ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10 12:09         ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-10 16:18           ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-11 10:00             ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-12  0:56               ` Huang, Ying
2023-01-12  1:18                 ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-12  1:59                   ` Huang, Ying
2023-01-12  2:22                     ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-12 11:33         ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-18 11:08   ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-18 13:57     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-18 19:38       ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 08/16] x86/virt/tdx: Add placeholder to construct TDMRs to cover all TDX memory regions Kai Huang
2023-01-06 19:24   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10  0:40     ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-10  0:47       ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10  2:23         ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-10 19:12           ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-11  9:23             ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 09/16] x86/virt/tdx: Fill out " Kai Huang
2023-01-06 19:36   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10  0:45     ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 10/16] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate and set up PAMTs for TDMRs Kai Huang
2023-01-06 21:53   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10  0:49     ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-07  0:47   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10  0:47     ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 11/16] x86/virt/tdx: Designate reserved areas for all TDMRs Kai Huang
2023-01-06 22:07   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10  1:19     ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-10  1:22       ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10 11:01         ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-10 15:19           ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-11 10:57             ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-11 16:16               ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-11 22:10                 ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-10 11:01       ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-10 15:17         ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 12/16] x86/virt/tdx: Designate the global KeyID and configure the TDX module Kai Huang
2023-01-06 22:21   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10 10:48     ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-10 16:25       ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10 23:33         ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 13/16] x86/virt/tdx: Configure global KeyID on all packages Kai Huang
2023-01-06 22:49   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10 10:15     ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-10 16:53       ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-11  0:06         ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 14/16] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize all TDMRs Kai Huang
2023-01-07  0:17   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10 10:23     ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 15/16] x86/virt/tdx: Flush cache in kexec() when TDX is enabled Kai Huang
2023-01-07  0:35   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-10 11:29     ` Huang, Kai
2023-01-10 15:27       ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-11  0:13         ` Huang, Kai [this message]
2023-01-11  0:30           ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-11  1:58             ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v8 16/16] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX host support Kai Huang

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