From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263104AbTEBSsH (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2003 14:48:07 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263111AbTEBSsH (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2003 14:48:07 -0400 Received: from neon-gw-l3.transmeta.com ([63.209.4.196]:34062 "EHLO neon-gw.transmeta.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263104AbTEBSsD (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2003 14:48:03 -0400 To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Date: 2 May 2003 12:00:00 -0700 Organization: Transmeta Corporation, Santa Clara CA Message-ID: References: <1051789446.8772.13.camel@rth.ninka.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Disclaimer: Not speaking for Transmeta in any way, shape, or form. Copyright: Copyright 2003 H. Peter Anvin - All Rights Reserved Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Followup to: <1051789446.8772.13.camel@rth.ninka.net> By author: "David S. Miller" In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel > > On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 13:00, Dax Kelson wrote: > > Current --in production-- DRM. Clearly no. Current DRM is mostly all > > targeted to audio / video content protection. > > > > So, nothing that we have *today* is a response to Open Source. > > I can't believe nobody talks about TiVO and what they're doing (only > allowing signed Linux kernels to boot on their machines). > > That is DRM, and directly in response to open source. > > Yet at the same time I recognize the truth in Linus's stance here. > And personally, I'm going to speak with my walet by not buying any > products from those fucknuts at TIVO. This is precisely the mechanism > Linus said would decide if DRM is successful or not. > The sad part is that the earlier TiVos were eminently hackable, and it seemed TiVo had no problem with people doing that. I suspect they've gotten crap from DirectTV, with whom they've gotten pretty deeply embedded. DirectTV is not exactly "hacker friendly", as the only "hacker" they even know exist are the ones trying to crack their access cards. -hpa -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." Architectures needed: ia64 m68k mips64 ppc ppc64 s390 s390x sh v850 x86-64