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[108.223.40.66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q24-v6sm20429977pff.83.2018.10.17.06.45.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Oct 2018 06:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors To: Josh Triplett , Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: James Bottomley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Tomi Valkeinen References: <20181017071902.30102-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181017091325.GA15991@localhost> From: Guenter Roeck Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 06:45:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181017091325.GA15991@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 10/17/2018 02:13 AM, Josh Triplett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:19:01AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: >> Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false >> impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be >> allowed. > > This impression is, in fact, false, as has already been discussed > elsewhere. I had hoped that discussion would suffice. > > As mentioned there: The original commit explicitly said "Explicit > guidelines have demonstrated success in other projects and other areas > of the kernel."; this is precisely the kind of explicit guideline it > refers to. Listing explicit cases to cover does not imply other cases > are not covered; it does, however, ensure that the listed cases *are*, > and helps people know that they're covered. > That is really a matter of opinion. Mathematically speaking, your statement is incorrect. One may wonder why the list is made explicit without hint that it is an example. For example, political or social views are _not_ listed. Wasn't the same CoC used in other projects to at least try to punish individuals with specific political and/or social opinions, just for having those opinions and expressing them outside the scope of the project ? > This patch is not OK, and defeats one of the purposes of the original > change. The CoC, as it stands, singles out maintainers for enforcement action. Based on your statement, is it correct to assume that this was on purpose ? If not, what is the explicit list of purposes of the original change ? Guenter