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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Haitao Huang <haitao.huang@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
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	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	Jethro Beekman <jethro@fortanix.com>,
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	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	asapek@google.com, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Xing, Cedric" <cedric.xing@intel.com>,
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	cyhanish@google.com, "Huang, Haitao" <haitao.huang@intel.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	"Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	"Svahn, Kai" <kai.svahn@intel.com>, Keith Moyer <kmoy@google.com>,
	Christian Ludloff <ludloff@google.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>,
	Nathaniel McCallum <npmccallum@redhat.com>,
	Patrick Uiterwijk <puiterwijk@redhat.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	yaozhangx@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v38 10/24] mm: Add vm_ops->mprotect()
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 09:48:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c29a662e-90ff-4862-8c82-06b43b81fb4d@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200928161954.GB92669@linux.intel.com>

On 9/28/20 9:19 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 07:04:38AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> EMODPE is virtually irrelevant for this whole thing.  The x86 PTE
>> permissions still specify the most restrictive permissions, which is
>> what matters the most.
>>
>> We care about the _worst_ the enclave can do, not what it imposes on
>> itself on top of that.
> 
> AFAIK it is not, or what we are protecting against with this anyway
> then?
> 
> Let say an LSM makes decision for the permissions based on origin. If we
> do not have this you can:
> 
> 1. EMODPE
> 2. mprotect

The thing that matters is that the enclave needs relaxed permissions
from the kernel.  What it *ALSO* needs to do to *ITSELF* to get those
permissions is entirely irrelevant to the kernel.

> I.e. whatever LSM decides, won't matter.
> 
> The other case, noexec, is now unconditionally denied.



>>> I think other important thing to underline is that an LSM or any other
>>> security measure can only do a sane decision when the enclave is loaded.
>>> At that point we know the source (vm_file).
>>
>> Right, you know the source, but it can be anonymous or a file.
> 
> They are both origin, the point being that you know what you're dealing
> with when you build the enclave, not when you map it.
> 
> This is my current rewrite of the commit message in my master branch:
> 
> "
>     mm: Add 'mprotect' callback to vm_ops
>     
>     Intel Sofware Guard eXtensions (SGX) allows creation of blobs called
>     enclaves, for which page permissions are defined when the enclave is first
>     loaded. Once an enclave is loaded and initialized, it can be mapped to the
>     process address space.
>     
>     There is no standard file format for enclaves. They are dynamically built
>     and the ways how enclaves are deployed differ greatly. For an app you might
>     want to have a simple static binary, but on the other hand for a container
>     you might want to dynamically create the whole thing at run-time. Also, the
>     existing ecosystem for SGX is already large, which would make the task very
>     hard.

I'm sorry I ever mentioned the file format.  Please remove any mention
of it.  It's irrelevant.  This entire paragraph is irrelevant.

>     Finally, even if there was a standard format, one would still want a
>     dynamic way to add pages to the enclave. One big reason for this is that
>     enclaves have load time defined pages that represent entry points to the
>     enclave. Each entry point can service one hardware thread at a time and
>     you might want to run-time parametrize this depending on your environment.

I also don't know what this paragraph has to do with the mprotect()
hook.  Please remove it.

>     The consequence is that enclaves are best created with an ioctl API and the
>     access control can be based only to the origin of the source file for the
>     enclave data, i.e. on VMA file pointer and page permissions. For example,

It's not strictly page permissions, though.  It's actually VMA
permissions.  The thing you copy from might be the zero page, and even
though it has Write=0 page permissions, apps are completely OK to write
to the address.  This is the WRITE vs. MAY_WRITE semantic in the VMA flags.

It's also not just about *files*.  Anonymous memory might or might not
be a valid source for enclave data based on LSM hooks.

>     this could be done with LSM hooks that are triggered in the appropriate
>     ioctl's and they could make the access control decision based on this
>     information.

This "appropriate ioctl's" is not good changelog material.  Please use
those bytes to convey actual information.

	... this could be done with LSM hooks which restrict the source
	of enclave page data

I don't care that it's an ioctl(), really.  What matters is what the
ioctl() does: copy data into enclave pages.

>     Unfortunately, there is ENCLS[EMODPE] that a running enclave can use to
>     upgrade its permissions. If we do not limit mmap() and mprotect(), enclave
>     could upgrade its permissions by using EMODPE followed by an appropriate
>     mprotect() call. This would be completely hidden from the kernel.

There's too much irrelevant info.

I'll say it again: all that matters is that enclaves can legitimately,
safely, and securely have a need for the kernel to change page
permissions.  That's *IT*.  EMODPE just happens to be part of the
mechanism that makes these permission changes safe for enclaves.  It's a
side show.

>     Add 'mprotect' hook to vm_ops, so that a callback can be implemeted for SGX
>     that will ensure that {mmap, mprotect}() permissions do not surpass any of
>     the original page permissions. This feature allows to maintain and refine
>     sane access control for enclaves.

Instead of "original", I'd stick to the "source" page nomenclature.
There are also "original" permissions with mprotect().

Also, it's literally OK for the enclave page permissions to surpass the
original (source) page permissions.  That sentence is incorrect, or at
least misleadingly imprecise.

> I'm mostly happy with this but am open for change suggestions.

I wrote a pretty nice description of this.  It was about 90% correct,
shorter, and conveyed more information.  I'd suggest starting with that.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-28 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-15 11:28 [PATCH v38 00/24] Intel SGX foundations Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 01/24] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Add Intel SGX hardware bits Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 02/24] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Add Intel SGX Launch Control " Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 03/24] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SIGSEGV with PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-16 11:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-16 20:30     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-16 20:32       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 04/24] x86/sgx: Add SGX microarchitectural data structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 05/24] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 06/24] x86/cpu/intel: Detect SGX support Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 07/24] x86/cpu/intel: Add nosgx kernel parameter Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 08/24] x86/sgx: Initialize metadata for Enclave Page Cache (EPC) sections Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 09/24] x86/sgx: Add __sgx_alloc_epc_page() and sgx_free_epc_page() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 10/24] mm: Add vm_ops->mprotect() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-18 12:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-18 15:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-18 23:24     ` [PATCH v38 10/24] mm: Add vm_ops->mprotect()' Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-18 23:53     ` [PATCH v38 10/24] mm: Add vm_ops->mprotect() Sean Christopherson
2020-09-19  0:15       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <20200922125801.GA133710@linux.intel.com>
2020-09-22 15:11           ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-23 13:30             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-23 13:43             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-23 14:33             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-24 14:50               ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-24 16:27                 ` Sean Christopherson
     [not found]       ` <20200921124946.GF6038@linux.intel.com>
2020-09-21 12:51         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-21 13:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20200921165758.GA24156@linux.intel.com>
2020-09-21 21:07           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-21 21:18             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-22  5:29               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-22  5:35                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-22 16:43                   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-23 13:50                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-24 19:11                       ` Haitao Huang
2020-09-24 19:28                         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-24 19:39                           ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-24 20:01                             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-24 20:10                               ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-24 20:25                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-24 20:54                                   ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-24 23:05                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-24 23:09                                       ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-25  0:00                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-25 17:18                                           ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-25 19:43                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-25 19:53                                               ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-26  4:15                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-28  0:53                                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 14:04                                                   ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-28 16:19                                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 16:48                                                       ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2020-09-28 19:32                                                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 19:45                                                           ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-28 20:19                                                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-29  1:37                                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-29  4:05                                                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-29 14:24                                                                   ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-30  0:20                                                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-30 14:35                                                                       ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-28 20:18                                                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-10-18  8:49                                                     ` Dr. Greg
2020-10-19 21:31                                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-10-20 10:01                                                         ` Dr. Greg
2020-10-20 16:40                                                           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-10-24 14:37                                                             ` Dr. Greg
2020-10-24 15:33                                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-10-26 10:51                                                                 ` Dr. Greg
2020-10-26 22:59                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-10-27  0:40                                                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-24 22:07                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-24 21:58                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-24 21:55                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 11/24] x86/sgx: Add SGX enclave driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-21  9:30   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-21 12:09     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-10-01 17:36   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-10-01 18:49     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 12/24] x86/sgx: Add SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_CREATE Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-21 10:03   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-21 12:28     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-21 13:51       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-21 19:29         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-10-03  0:23   ` Haitao Huang
2020-10-03  3:24     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 13/24] x86/sgx: Add SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_ADD_PAGES Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 14/24] x86/sgx: Add SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_INIT Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-21 17:35   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-21 18:10     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-21 18:27       ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]         ` <20200921191658.GA24823@linux.intel.com>
2020-09-22  8:29           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-22 11:50             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-22 12:56             ` Jethro Beekman
2020-09-22 14:29               ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-23 14:47                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-23 15:55                   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-24 12:23                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-22 16:29               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-21 19:22       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 15/24] x86/sgx: Enable provisioning for remote attestation Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-21 18:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-21 19:27     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-21 19:41       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-21 21:26         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-22  8:30           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 16/24] x86/sgx: Add a page reclaimer Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-22 10:45   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-22 14:03     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-22 14:24       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-23 14:52         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-29  1:14       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-29  3:50         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-29  8:35           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-22 16:24     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-22 18:02       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-23 15:25       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 17/24] x86/sgx: ptrace() support for the SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-22 15:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-23 13:20     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-23 16:17       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-24 11:51         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-24 15:57           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-24 20:38             ` [PATCH v38 17/24] x86/sgx: ptrace() support for the SGX driver' Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-24 20:40               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-25  7:53                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-25 11:00                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-25  7:51               ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-25 11:21                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 18/24] x86/vdso: Add support for exception fixup in vDSO functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-23 22:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-24 12:09     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-24 16:00       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-24 21:07         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 19/24] x86/fault: Add helper function to sanitize error code Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 20/24] x86/traps: Attempt to fixup exceptions in vDSO before signaling Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-24 16:31   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-24 23:11     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 21/24] x86/vdso: Implement a vDSO for Intel SGX enclave call Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-24 18:04   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-25  1:00     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-25  8:28       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-27 23:37         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28  8:30           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-28 15:02             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-25  8:39       ` Jethro Beekman
2020-09-25 11:17         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-25 11:43           ` Jethro Beekman
     [not found]     ` <20200925003808.GB20333@linux.intel.com>
2020-09-25  1:04       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-25  8:14       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-25 10:59         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 14:36       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-25 18:23   ` Andrew Cooper
2020-09-28  0:58     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 16:44       ` Andrew Cooper
2020-09-28 18:07         ` H.J. Lu
2020-09-28 18:12           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-28 18:17             ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-28 22:07               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 21:56             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 22:06               ` H.J. Lu
2020-09-28 22:18                 ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-28 22:41                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-28 23:38                     ` Andrew Cooper
2020-09-29 14:10                       ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-29 15:01                         ` Andrew Cooper
2020-09-28 21:41           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 20:42         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 23:52           ` Andrew Cooper
2020-09-30  0:52             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 15:43     ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2020-09-28 15:54       ` H.J. Lu
2020-09-28 16:40         ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2020-09-28 21:36         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 20:56       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 22/24] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 23/24] docs: x86/sgx: Document SGX micro architecture and kernel internals Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-23 13:50   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-24 11:28     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-24 15:54       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-15 11:28 ` [PATCH v38 24/24] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-25 22:37   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-09-28  0:44     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-09-15 11:04 [PATCH v38 00/24] Intel SGX foundations Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-15 11:05 ` [PATCH v38 10/24] mm: Add vm_ops->mprotect() Jarkko Sakkinen

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