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From: Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>
To: Vineeth Remanan Pillai <vpillai@digitalocean.com>,
	Nishanth Aravamudan <naravamudan@digitalocean.com>,
	Julien Desfossez <jdesfossez@digitalocean.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Tim Chen" <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>, <mingo@kernel.org>,
	<tglx@linutronix.de>, <pjt@google.com>,
	<torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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	<fweisbec@gmail.com>, <keescook@chromium.org>,
	<kerrnel@google.com>, "Phil Auld" <pauld@redhat.com>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lwe@gmail.com>,
	Aubrey Li <aubrey.intel@gmail.com>,
	Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>, <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	<vineethrp@gmail.com>, Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/16] Core scheduling v6
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 02:30:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c4556033-4d78-0419-0114-a17f68456ec8@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1593530334.git.vpillai@digitalocean.com>

Hi Vineeth,

On 30.06.20 23:32, Vineeth Remanan Pillai wrote:
> Sixth iteration of the Core-Scheduling feature.
> 
> Core scheduling is a feature that allows only trusted tasks to run
> concurrently on cpus sharing compute resources (eg: hyperthreads on a
> core). The goal is to mitigate the core-level side-channel attacks
> without requiring to disable SMT (which has a significant impact on
> performance in some situations). Core scheduling (as of v6) mitigates
> user-space to user-space attacks and user to kernel attack when one of
> the siblings enters the kernel via interrupts. It is still possible to
> have a task attack the sibling thread when it enters the kernel via
> syscalls.
> 
> By default, the feature doesn't change any of the current scheduler
> behavior. The user decides which tasks can run simultaneously on the
> same core (for now by having them in the same tagged cgroup). When a
> tag is enabled in a cgroup and a task from that cgroup is running on a
> hardware thread, the scheduler ensures that only idle or trusted tasks
> run on the other sibling(s). Besides security concerns, this feature
> can also be beneficial for RT and performance applications where we
> want to control how tasks make use of SMT dynamically.
> 
> This iteration is mostly a cleanup of v5 except for a major feature of
> pausing sibling when a cpu enters kernel via nmi/irq/softirq. Also
> introducing documentation and includes minor crash fixes.
> 
> One major cleanup was removing the hotplug support and related code.
> The hotplug related crashes were not documented and the fixes piled up
> over time leading to complex code. We were not able to reproduce the
> crashes in the limited testing done. But if they are reroducable, we
> don't want to hide them. We should document them and design better
> fixes if any.
> 
> In terms of performance, the results in this release are similar to
> v5. On a x86 system with N hardware threads:
> - if only N/2 hardware threads are busy, the performance is similar
>    between baseline, corescheduling and nosmt
> - if N hardware threads are busy with N different corescheduling
>    groups, the impact of corescheduling is similar to nosmt
> - if N hardware threads are busy and multiple active threads share the
>    same corescheduling cookie, they gain a performance improvement over
>    nosmt.
>    The specific performance impact depends on the workload, but for a
>    really busy database 12-vcpu VM (1 coresched tag) running on a 36
>    hardware threads NUMA node with 96 mostly idle neighbor VMs (each in
>    their own coresched tag), the performance drops by 54% with
>    corescheduling and drops by 90% with nosmt.
> 
> v6 is rebased on 5.7.6(a06eb423367e)
> https://github.com/digitalocean/linux-coresched/tree/coresched/v6-v5.7.y

As discussed during Linux Plumbers, here is a small repo with test 
scripts and applications that I've used to look at core scheduling 
unfairness:

   https://github.com/agraf/schedgaps

Please let me know if it's unclear how to use it or if you see issues in 
your environment.

Please also make sure to only run this on idle server class hardware. 
Notebooks will most definitely have too many uncontrollable sources of 
timing entropy to give sensible results.


Alex



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-27  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-30 21:32 [RFC PATCH 00/16] Core scheduling v6 Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 01/16] sched: Wrap rq::lock access Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 02/16] sched: Introduce sched_class::pick_task() Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 03/16] sched: Core-wide rq->lock Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 04/16] sched/fair: Add a few assertions Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] sched: Basic tracking of matching tasks Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-21 14:02   ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] sched: Basic tracking of matching tasks(Internet mail) benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 06/16] sched: Add core wide task selection and scheduling Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-01 23:28   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-07-02  0:54     ` Tim Chen
2020-07-02 12:57       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-07-02 13:23         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-07-05 23:44         ` Tim Chen
2020-07-03 20:21     ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-06 14:09       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-07-06 14:38         ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-06 17:37           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] sched/fair: Fix forced idle sibling starvation corner case Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-21  7:35   ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] sched/fair: Fix forced idle sibling starvation corner case(Internet mail) benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-22  7:20   ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 08/16] sched/fair: wrapper for cfs_rq->min_vruntime Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] sched/fair: core wide cfs task priority comparison Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-22  0:23   ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] sched/fair: core wide cfs task priority comparison(Internet mail) benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-24  7:14     ` Aaron Lu
2020-07-24 12:08       ` Jiang Biao
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] sched: Trivial forced-newidle balancer Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-20  4:06   ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] sched: Trivial forced-newidle balancer(Internet mail) benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-20  6:06     ` Li, Aubrey
     [not found]       ` <8082F052-2F52-42D3-B396-18A35A94F26F@tencent.com>
2020-07-20  8:03         ` Li, Aubrey
2020-07-20  8:22           ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-20 14:34   ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] sched: migration changes for core scheduling Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-22  8:54   ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] sched: migration changes for core scheduling(Internet mail) benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-22 12:13     ` Li, Aubrey
2020-07-22 14:32       ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-23  1:57         ` Li, Aubrey
2020-07-23  2:42           ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-23  3:35             ` Li, Aubrey
2020-07-23  4:23               ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-23  5:39                 ` Li, Aubrey
2020-07-23  7:47                   ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-23  8:06                     ` Li, Aubrey
2020-07-23  8:28                       ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-23 23:43                         ` Aubrey Li
2020-07-24  1:26                           ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-07-24  2:05                             ` Li, Aubrey
2020-07-24  2:29                               ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 12/16] sched: cgroup tagging interface for core scheduling Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 13/16] sched: Fix pick_next_task() race condition in " Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 14/16] irq: Add support for core-wide protection of IRQ and softirq Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-10 12:19   ` Li, Aubrey
2020-07-10 13:21     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-07-13  2:23       ` Li, Aubrey
2020-07-13 15:58         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-07-10 13:36     ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-11  1:33       ` Aubrey Li
2020-07-17 23:37     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-18 17:05       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-07-17 23:36   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-20  3:53     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-07-20  8:20       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-20 11:09       ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 15/16] Documentation: Add documentation on core scheduling Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-06-30 21:32 ` [RFC PATCH 16/16] sched: Debug bits Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2020-07-31 16:41 ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] Core scheduling v6 Vineeth Pillai
2020-08-03  8:23 ` Li, Aubrey
2020-08-03 16:53   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-08-05  3:57     ` Li, Aubrey
2020-08-05  6:16       ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] Core scheduling v6(Internet mail) benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-08-09 16:44       ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] Core scheduling v6 Joel Fernandes
2020-08-12  2:01         ` Li, Aubrey
2020-08-12 23:08           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-08-13  4:28             ` Li, Aubrey
2020-08-14  0:26               ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] Core scheduling v6(Internet mail) benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-08-14  1:36                 ` Li, Aubrey
2020-08-14  4:04                   ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-08-14  5:18                     ` Li, Aubrey
2020-08-14  7:54                       ` benbjiang(蒋彪)
2020-08-20 22:37               ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] Core scheduling v6 Joel Fernandes
2020-08-27  0:30 ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2020-08-27  1:20   ` Vineeth Pillai

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