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Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PATCH] btrfs: optimize barrier usage for Rmw atomics To: Qu Wenruo , Davidlohr Bueso , dsterba@suse.cz, dsterba@suse.com, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Davidlohr Bueso References: <20200129180324.24099-1-dave@stgolabs.net> <20200129191439.GN3929@twin.jikos.cz> <20200129192550.nnfkkgde445nrbko@linux-p48b> From: Nikolay Borisov Autocrypt: addr=nborisov@suse.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFiKBz4BEADNHZmqwhuN6EAzXj9SpPpH/nSSP8YgfwoOqwrP+JR4pIqRK0AWWeWCSwmZ T7g+RbfPFlmQp+EwFWOtABXlKC54zgSf+uulGwx5JAUFVUIRBmnHOYi/lUiE0yhpnb1KCA7f u/W+DkwGerXqhhe9TvQoGwgCKNfzFPZoM+gZrm+kWv03QLUCr210n4cwaCPJ0Nr9Z3c582xc bCUVbsjt7BN0CFa2BByulrx5xD9sDAYIqfLCcZetAqsTRGxM7LD0kh5WlKzOeAXj5r8DOrU2 GdZS33uKZI/kZJZVytSmZpswDsKhnGzRN1BANGP8sC+WD4eRXajOmNh2HL4P+meO1TlM3GLl EQd2shHFY0qjEo7wxKZI1RyZZ5AgJnSmehrPCyuIyVY210CbMaIKHUIsTqRgY5GaNME24w7h TyyVCy2qAM8fLJ4Vw5bycM/u5xfWm7gyTb9V1TkZ3o1MTrEsrcqFiRrBY94Rs0oQkZvunqia c+NprYSaOG1Cta14o94eMH271Kka/reEwSZkC7T+o9hZ4zi2CcLcY0DXj0qdId7vUKSJjEep c++s8ncFekh1MPhkOgNj8pk17OAESanmDwksmzh1j12lgA5lTFPrJeRNu6/isC2zyZhTwMWs k3LkcTa8ZXxh0RfWAqgx/ogKPk4ZxOXQEZetkEyTFghbRH2BIwARAQABzSJOaWtvbGF5IEJv cmlzb3YgPG5ib3Jpc292QHN1c2UuZGU+wsF4BBMBAgAiBQJYijkSAhsDBgsJCAcDAgYVCAIJ CgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRBxvoJG5T8oV/B6D/9a8EcRPdHg8uLEPywuJR8URwXzkofT5bZE IfGF0Z+Lt2ADe+nLOXrwKsamhweUFAvwEUxxnndovRLPOpWerTOAl47lxad08080jXnGfYFS Dc+ew7C3SFI4tFFHln8Y22Q9075saZ2yQS1ywJy+TFPADIprAZXnPbbbNbGtJLoq0LTiESnD w/SUC6sfikYwGRS94Dc9qO4nWyEvBK3Ql8NkoY0Sjky3B0vL572Gq0ytILDDGYuZVo4alUs8 LeXS5ukoZIw1QYXVstDJQnYjFxYgoQ5uGVi4t7FsFM/6ykYDzbIPNOx49Rbh9W4uKsLVhTzG BDTzdvX4ARl9La2kCQIjjWRg+XGuBM5rxT/NaTS78PXjhqWNYlGc5OhO0l8e5DIS2tXwYMDY LuHYNkkpMFksBslldvNttSNei7xr5VwjVqW4vASk2Aak5AleXZS+xIq2FADPS/XSgIaepyTV tkfnyreep1pk09cjfXY4A7qpEFwazCRZg9LLvYVc2M2eFQHDMtXsH59nOMstXx2OtNMcx5p8 0a5FHXE/HoXz3p9bD0uIUq6p04VYOHsMasHqHPbsMAq9V2OCytJQPWwe46bBjYZCOwG0+x58 fBFreP/NiJNeTQPOa6FoxLOLXMuVtpbcXIqKQDoEte9aMpoj9L24f60G4q+pL/54ql2VRscK d87BTQRYigc+ARAAyJSq9EFk28++SLfg791xOh28tLI6Yr8wwEOvM3wKeTfTZd+caVb9gBBy wxYhIopKlK1zq2YP7ZjTP1aPJGoWvcQZ8fVFdK/1nW+Z8/NTjaOx1mfrrtTGtFxVBdSCgqBB jHTnlDYV1R5plJqK+ggEP1a0mr/rpQ9dFGvgf/5jkVpRnH6BY0aYFPprRL8ZCcdv2DeeicOO YMobD5g7g/poQzHLLeT0+y1qiLIFefNABLN06Lf0GBZC5l8hCM3Rpb4ObyQ4B9PmL/KTn2FV Xq/c0scGMdXD2QeWLePC+yLMhf1fZby1vVJ59pXGq+o7XXfYA7xX0JsTUNxVPx/MgK8aLjYW hX+TRA4bCr4uYt/S3ThDRywSX6Hr1lyp4FJBwgyb8iv42it8KvoeOsHqVbuCIGRCXqGGiaeX Wa0M/oxN1vJjMSIEVzBAPi16tztL/wQtFHJtZAdCnuzFAz8ue6GzvsyBj97pzkBVacwp3/Mw qbiu7sDz7yB0d7J2tFBJYNpVt/Lce6nQhrvon0VqiWeMHxgtQ4k92Eja9u80JDaKnHDdjdwq FUikZirB28UiLPQV6PvCckgIiukmz/5ctAfKpyYRGfez+JbAGl6iCvHYt/wAZ7Oqe/3Cirs5 KhaXBcMmJR1qo8QH8eYZ+qhFE3bSPH446+5oEw8A9v5oonKV7zMAEQEAAcLBXwQYAQIACQUC WIoHPgIbDAAKCRBxvoJG5T8oV1pyD/4zdXdOL0lhkSIjJWGqz7Idvo0wjVHSSQCbOwZDWNTN JBTP0BUxHpPu/Z8gRNNP9/k6i63T4eL1xjy4umTwJaej1X15H8Hsh+zakADyWHadbjcUXCkg OJK4NsfqhMuaIYIHbToi9K5pAKnV953xTrK6oYVyd/Rmkmb+wgsbYQJ0Ur1Ficwhp6qU1CaJ mJwFjaWaVgUERoxcejL4ruds66LM9Z1Qqgoer62ZneID6ovmzpCWbi2sfbz98+kW46aA/w8r 7sulgs1KXWhBSv5aWqKU8C4twKjlV2XsztUUsyrjHFj91j31pnHRklBgXHTD/pSRsN0UvM26 lPs0g3ryVlG5wiZ9+JbI3sKMfbdfdOeLxtL25ujs443rw1s/PVghphoeadVAKMPINeRCgoJH zZV/2Z/myWPRWWl/79amy/9MfxffZqO9rfugRBORY0ywPHLDdo9Kmzoxoxp9w3uTrTLZaT9M KIuxEcV8wcVjr+Wr9zRl06waOCkgrQbTPp631hToxo+4rA1jiQF2M80HAet65ytBVR2pFGZF zGYYLqiG+mpUZ+FPjxk9kpkRYz61mTLSY7tuFljExfJWMGfgSg1OxfLV631jV1TcdUnx+h3l Sqs2vMhAVt14zT8mpIuu2VNxcontxgVr1kzYA/tQg32fVRbGr449j1gw57BV9i0vww== Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:18:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 30.01.20 г. 1:55 ч., Qu Wenruo wrote: > > > On 2020/1/30 上午3:25, Davidlohr Bueso wrote: >> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020, David Sterba wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:03:24AM -0800, Davidlohr Bueso wrote: >>>> Use smp_mb__after_atomic() instead of smp_mb() and avoid the >>>> unnecessary barrier for non LL/SC architectures, such as x86. >>> >>> So that's a conflicting advice from what we got when discussing wich >>> barriers to use in 6282675e6708ec78518cc0e9ad1f1f73d7c5c53d and the >>> memory is still fresh. My first idea was to take the >>> smp_mb__after_atomic and __before_atomic variants and after discussion >>> with various people the plain smp_wmb/smp_rmb were suggested and used in >>> the end. >> >> So the patch you mention deals with test_bit(), which is out of the scope >> of smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic() as it's not a RMW operation. >> atomic_inc() >> and set_bit() are, however, meant to use these barriers. > > Exactly! > I'm still not convinced to use full barrier for test_bit() and I see no > reason to use any barrier for test_bit(). > All mb should only be needed between two or more memory access, thus mb > should sit between set/clear_bit() and other operations, not around > test_bit(). > >> >>> >>> I can dig the email threads and excerpts from irc conversations, maybe >>> Nik has them at hand too. We do want to get rid of all unnecessary and >>> uncommented barriers in btrfs code, so I appreciate your patch. >> >> Yeah, I struggled with the amount of undocumented barriers, and decided >> not to go down that rabbit hole. This patch is only an equivalent of >> what is currently there. When possible, getting rid of barriers is of >> course better. > > BTW, is there any convincing method to do proper mb examination? > > I really found it hard to convince others or even myself when mb is > involved. Yes there is - the LKMM, you can write a litmus test. Check out tootls/memory-model > > Thanks, > Qu > >> >> Thanks, >> Davidlohr