From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D10C433F4 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 04:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB472098B for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 04:01:58 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org CCB472098B Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=huawei.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727029AbeHYHjY (ORCPT ); Sat, 25 Aug 2018 03:39:24 -0400 Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com ([45.249.212.190]:11605 "EHLO huawei.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726110AbeHYHjY (ORCPT ); Sat, 25 Aug 2018 03:39:24 -0400 Received: from DGGEMS401-HUB.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.30.72.58]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 160A4DA30EA79; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:01:51 +0800 (CST) Received: from [10.151.23.176] (10.151.23.176) by smtp.huawei.com (10.3.19.201) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.399.0; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:01:51 +0800 Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [RFC PATCH 02/10] fs-verity: add data verification hooks for ->readpages() To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Eric Biggers , , , , Dmitry Kasatkin , Michael Halcrow , , , , Mimi Zohar , Victor Hsieh References: <20180824161642.1144-1-ebiggers@kernel.org> <20180824161642.1144-3-ebiggers@kernel.org> <2f2382c3-e5e9-f0da-dc89-42dfc7b2b636@huawei.com> <20180825034544.GA5281@thunk.org> From: Gao Xiang Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:00:04 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180825034544.GA5281@thunk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.151.23.176] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Ted, On 2018/8/25 11:45, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 10:29:26AM +0800, Gao Xiang wrote: >> My first question is that 'Is there any way to skip to verify pages in a bio?' >> I am thinking about >> If metadata and data page are mixed in a filesystem of such kind, they could submit together in a bio, but metadata could be unsuitable for such kind of verification. >> >> The second question is related to the first question --- 'Is there any way to verify a partial page?' >> Take scalability into consideration, some files could be totally inlined or partially inlined in metadata. >> Is there any way to deal with them in per-file approach? at least --- support for the interface? > A requirement of both fscrypt and fsverity is that is that block size > == page size, and that all data is stored in blocks. Inline data is > not supported. > > The files that are intended for use with fsverity are large files > (such as APK files), so optimizing for files smaller than a block was > not a design goal. Thanks for your quickly reply. :) I had seen the background of why Google/Android introduces fs-verity before. > But I have some consideration than the current implementation.... (if it is suitable to discuss, thanks...) 1) Since it is the libfs-like library, I think bio-strict is too strict for its future fs users. bios could be already organized in filesystem-specific way, which could include some other pages that is unnecessary to be verified. I could give some example, if some filesystem organizes its bios for decompression, and some data exist in metadata. It could be hard to use this libfs-like fsverity interface. 2) My last question "At last, I hope filesystems could select the on-disk position of hash tree and 'struct fsverity_descriptor' rather than fixed in the end of verity files...I think if fs-verity preparing such support and interfaces could be better....." is also for some files partially or totally encoded (eg. compressed, or whatever ...) I think the hash tree is unnecessary to be compressed...so I think it could be better that it can be selected by users (filesystems of course). Thanks, Gao Xiang. > - Ted