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Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next] bpf: Make trampolines W^X
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 19:01:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdd157ef011efda92c9434f76141fc3aef174d85.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DB882EE8-20B2-4631-A808-E5C968B24CEB@amacapital.net>

CC Nadav and Jessica.

On Mon, 2020-01-06 at 15:36 -1000, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Jan 6, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Edgecombe, Rick P <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 2020-01-04 at 09:49 +0900, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 8:47 AM, KP Singh <kpsingh@chromium.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > From: KP Singh <kpsingh@google.com>
> > > > 
> > > > The image for the BPF trampolines is allocated with
> > > > bpf_jit_alloc_exe_page which marks this allocated page executable. This
> > > > means that the allocated memory is W and X at the same time making it
> > > > susceptible to WX based attacks.
> > > > 
> > > > Since the allocated memory is shared between two trampolines (the
> > > > current and the next), 2 pages must be allocated to adhere to W^X and
> > > > the following sequence is obeyed where trampolines are modified:
> > > 
> > > Can we please do better rather than piling garbage on top of garbage?
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > - Mark memory as non executable (set_memory_nx). While module_alloc for
> > > > x86 allocates the memory as PAGE_KERNEL and not PAGE_KERNEL_EXEC, not
> > > > all implementations of module_alloc do so
> > > 
> > > How about fixing this instead?
> > > 
> > > > - Mark the memory as read/write (set_memory_rw)
> > > 
> > > Probably harmless, but see above about fixing it.
> > > 
> > > > - Modify the trampoline
> > > 
> > > Seems reasonable. It’s worth noting that this whole approach is
> > > suboptimal:
> > > the “module” allocator should really be returning a list of pages to be
> > > written (not at the final address!) with the actual executable mapping to
> > > be
> > > materialized later, but that’s a bigger project that you’re welcome to
> > > ignore
> > > for now.  (Concretely, it should produce a vmap address with backing pages
> > > but
> > > with the vmap alias either entirely unmapped or read-only. A subsequent
> > > healer
> > > would, all at once, make the direct map pages RO or not-present and make
> > > the
> > > vmap alias RX.)
> > > > - Mark the memory as read-only (set_memory_ro)
> > > > - Mark the memory as executable (set_memory_x)
> > > 
> > > No, thanks. There’s very little excuse for doing two IPI flushes when one
> > > would suffice.
> > > 
> > > As far as I know, all architectures can do this with a single flush
> > > without
> > > races  x86 certainly can. The module freeing code gets this sequence
> > > right.
> > > Please reuse its mechanism or, if needed, export the relevant interfaces.
> > 
> > So if I understand this right, some trampolines have been added that are
> > currently set as RWX at modification time AND left that way during runtime?
> > The
> > discussion on the order of set_memory_() calls in the commit message made me
> > think that this was just a modification time thing at first.
> 
> I’m not sure what the status quo is.
> 
> We really ought to have a genuinely good API for allocation and initialization
> of text.  We can do so much better than set_memory_blahblah.
> 
> FWIW, I have some ideas about making kernel flushes cheaper. It’s currently
> blocked on finding some time and on tglx’s irqtrace work.
> 

Makes sense to me. I guess there are 6 types of text allocations now:
 - These two BPF trampolines
 - BPF JITs
 - Modules
 - Kprobes
 - Ftrace

All doing (or should be doing) pretty much the same thing. I believe Jessica had
said at one point that she didn't like all the other features using
module_alloc() as it was supposed to be just for real modules. Where would the
API live?

> > 
> > Also, is there a reason you couldn't use text_poke() to modify the
> > trampoline
> > with a single flush?
> > 
> 
> Does text_poke to an IPI these days?

I don't think so since the RW mapping is just on a single CPU. That was one of
the benefits of the temporary mm struct based thing Nadav did. I haven't looked
into PeterZ's changes though.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-07 19:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-03 23:47 [PATCH bpf-next] bpf: Make trampolines W^X KP Singh
2020-01-04  0:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-05  1:19   ` Justin Capella
2020-01-06  8:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-06 22:25   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-01-07  1:36     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-07 19:01       ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2020-01-08  8:41         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-08 20:52           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-01-09  6:48             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-10  1:00               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-01-10 18:35                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found] <CAMrEMU8Vsn8rfULqf1gfuYL_-ybqzit29CLYReskaZ8XUroZww@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <768BAF04-BEBF-489A-8737-B645816B262A@amacapital.net>
2020-01-06 22:13   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-01-07  9:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-07 18:55       ` Alexei Starovoitov

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