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To: Greg Kroah-Hartman , Scott Branden Cc: Willy Tarreau , Florian Fainelli , Sasha Levin , BCM Kernel Feedback , LKML , Linux ARM References: <8cf503db-ac4c-a546-13c0-aac6da5c073b@broadcom.com> <20210218165104.GC2013@sasha-vm> <00b9e2fb-d818-58d6-edae-4dbd6aa814f7@gmail.com> <20210218182050.GB15217@1wt.eu> From: Florian Fainelli Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:05:41 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 2/19/2021 12:25 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 12:16:50PM -0800, Scott Branden wrote: >> On 2021-02-18 10:36 a.m., Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:20:50PM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: >>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 06:53:56PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:21:13AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: >>>>>> As a company, we are most likely shooting ourselves in the foot by not >>>>>> having a point of coordination with the Linux Foundation and key people >>>>>> like you, Greg and other participants in the stable kernel. >>>>> >>>>> What does the LF have to do with this? >>>>> >>>>> We are here, on the mailing lists, working with everyone. Just test the >>>>> -rc releases we make and let us know if they work or not for you, it's >>>>> not a lot of "coordination" needed at all. >>>>> >>>>> Otherwise, if no one is saying that they are going to need these for 6 >>>>> years and are willing to use it in their project (i.e. and test it), >>>>> there's no need for us to maintain it for that long, right? >>>> >>>> Greg, please remember I expressed I really need them for slightly more than >>>> 3 years (say 3.5-4) :-) I'm fine with helping a bit more as time permits if >>>> this saves me from having to take over these kernels after you, like in the >>>> past, but I cannot engage on the regularity of my availability. >>> >>> Ok, great! >>> >>> That's one person/company saying they can help out (along with what CIP >>> has been stating.) >>> >>> What about others? Broadcom started this conversation, odd that they >>> don't seem to want to help out :) >> Greg, I'm sorry but I'm not in a position to provide such a commitment. > > Ok, who at Broadcom do I need to talk to to get that type of commitment? I am not sure if I was too subtle before, we (Broadcom) cannot give you an unified voice to speak with because we are divided in silos/business units that make their independent decisions. The group I work in (STB/CM, different from Scott's) is committed to using the 5.10 kernel for 6 years and that is a decision that has been taken. I could give you names of other decision makers in other business units I know who also deliver Linux for their respective business units however some of them may not make public appearances on mailing lists, let alone care about upstreaming their changes so I do not know whether a 6 years 5.10 kernel is even something they remotely entertain. Hope this helps. -- Florian