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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Possible GPL Violation of Linux in Amstrad's E3 Videophone
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:03:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cjs2o5$th6$1@gatekeeper.tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <100120041740.9915.415D967600014EC2000026BB2200758942970A059D0A0306@comcast.net>

jmerkey@comcast.net wrote:
> Who cares about GPL violations in Linux .  What can anyone do about it anyway.  The FSF 
> isn't going to sue anyone unless someone give them the money to do it.  Most of this
> banter and name calling people do about it is a waste of time.  What punishment will 
> anyone get for it.  A few people writing mean emails and finder pointing -- Yeah -- 
> this will really stop someone from doing it.  If you give your code away GPL, or not
> you have just done just that.   Tigrian is correct in his statements.  
> 
> Even if you review it and make a fuss it does nothing to stop people.  The GPL is flawed 
> since it does not require people to go back to the copyright holders and demand a license
> for commerical use.  This is the only way you will ever stop these people.  So instead
> of being whinny babies about it, fix the GPL and add this language.  Then anyone 
> who uses the code in a commerical enterprise will be required to get a license, and you 
> can actually do something about it. 
> 
> Oops.  Too late.  Linux has a huge trail of everyone's code under the GPL so you cannot
> re-release the code under another license unless the entire code base is re-written.  So 
> anyone can fork it at any point and claim, "we never accepted the license even though 
> we download and use the code.  Guess what, this is legally valid to say and totally 
> circumvents the GPL, they just have to leave your copyright notices in place. 

This subject line seems to have attracted a bunch of odd legal 
misinformation, which as noted has been refuted by the courts. However, 
I do note that Microsoft is using the work Linux in their ads, and not 
putting on the trademark symbol. It is probably good for someone to look 
at that, because a trademark can be lost if it is not defended (think 
Kleenex or Asprin). The ads just have a note in tiny print saying 
something 'some of these words may be trademarks of their owners.' I 
believe if the owner notifies them they have to add the MT or (R) symbol 
and state the name of the holder.

Clearly I'm not a lawyer, but since there was a TV show about "lost 
trademarks" I'm pretty damn sure it can happen.

The GPL is alive and well at the moment, I hope the trademark is as well.

-- 
    -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com)
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
  last possible moment - but no longer"  -me

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-04 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-01 17:40 Possible GPL Violation of Linux in Amstrad's E3 Videophone jmerkey
2004-10-01 18:23 ` Jesse Pollard
2004-10-01 19:34 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-10-01 19:46   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-01 20:38     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-01 20:40     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-10-01 22:09 ` Jon Masters
2004-10-01 21:53   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-01 23:51     ` Michael Poole
2004-10-02  2:00     ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]       ` <20041002064620.GA8568@galt.devicelogics.com>
2004-10-02 10:27         ` Jon Masters
2004-10-02 17:34     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-03 11:46       ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-03 11:59         ` Jon Masters
2004-10-03 22:01         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-04  0:23           ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-07 19:21       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-07 20:24         ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 21:22           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-07 22:32             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:57             ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-08  8:19             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2004-10-07 21:07         ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-07 21:16           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-07 21:40         ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-07 21:17           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-07 22:02             ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-07 21:29               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-08 12:27                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-08 18:24                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-08 18:42                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-09  9:50                       ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-10-08 12:16               ` Alan Cox
2004-10-07 22:18             ` Dave Jones
2004-10-07 21:51               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-07 22:41                 ` Dave Jones
2004-10-08  0:47                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-07 23:50                 ` viro
2004-10-08  0:40                 ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-08  0:59                   ` Jon Masters
     [not found]                     ` <20041008032034.GD3528@galt.devicelogics.com>
2004-10-08  7:15                       ` Jon Masters
2004-10-08 12:38                         ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-08 12:50                           ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-08 13:48                           ` Bruce Ferrell
2004-10-08 15:14                             ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-08  2:48                 ` Erik Andersen
2004-10-10  6:35               ` Brian Litzinger
2004-10-10 13:25                 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-10 22:26                   ` Jon Masters
2004-10-11 11:57                     ` Tonnerre
2004-10-08  2:40         ` Erik Andersen
2004-10-08  8:50           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-08 11:08             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-04 20:26     ` Jesse Pollard
2004-10-02 12:35 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-10-04 18:03 ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-09-29 13:44 Ralph Corderoy
2004-10-01 14:52 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-01 14:20   ` Alan Cox
2004-10-01 15:59     ` Ralph Corderoy
2004-10-01 16:00       ` Alan Cox
2004-10-01 16:24       ` Jon Masters
2004-10-01 15:59         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-01 17:18           ` Jon Masters
2005-01-07 21:48           ` Jonathan McDowell
2005-01-15 13:43             ` Jonathan McDowell
2005-01-26 16:47               ` Jonathan McDowell
2004-10-01 17:24       ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-10-01 16:14     ` James Courtier-Dutton

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