From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261906AbUK3Ap6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:45:58 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261907AbUK3Ap6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:45:58 -0500 Received: from hera.kernel.org ([63.209.29.2]:48003 "EHLO hera.kernel.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261906AbUK3Apx (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:45:53 -0500 To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: hpa@zytor.com (H. Peter Anvin) Subject: Re: [RFC] Splitting kernel headers and deprecating __KERNEL__ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Mostly alphabetical, except Q, which We do not fancy Message-ID: References: <19865.1101395592@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: terminus.zytor.com 1101775547 3298 127.0.0.1 (30 Nov 2004 00:45:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@terminus.zytor.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:45:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Followup to: By author: Linus Torvalds In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel > > If glibc wants to do something new, go wild. The kernel won't care. > > And that's really the fundamental issue. The kernel does not care what > user land does. The kernel exports functionality, the kernel does _not_ > ask user land to help. > > That _does_ make it a one-way street. Sorry. > And it SHOULD be a one-way street. A lot of the ugliness in the current stuff comes from the fact that the kernel tries to export libc4/5 internals, instead of the real kernel ABI. -hpa