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From: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
To: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@dell.com>,
	Jeff Kirsher <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com>,
	Tony Nguyen <anthony.l.nguyen@intel.com>,
	intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Sasha Netfin <sasha.neftin@intel.com>,
	Aaron Brown <aaron.f.brown@intel.com>,
	Stefan Assmann <sassmann@redhat.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	darcari@redhat.com, Yijun.Shen@dell.com, Perry.Yuan@dell.com,
	anthony.wong@canonical.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/7] Improve s0ix flows for systems i219LM
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:28:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d0f7e565-05e1-437e-4342-55eb73daa907@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201204200920.133780-1-mario.limonciello@dell.com>

Hi,

On 12/4/20 9:09 PM, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> commit e086ba2fccda ("e1000e: disable s0ix entry and exit flows for ME systems")
> disabled s0ix flows for systems that have various incarnations of the
> i219-LM ethernet controller.  This was done because of some regressions
> caused by an earlier
> commit 632fbd5eb5b0e ("e1000e: fix S0ix flows for cable connected case")
> with i219-LM controller.
> 
> Performing suspend to idle with these ethernet controllers requires a properly
> configured system.  To make enabling such systems easier, this patch
> series allows determining if enabled and turning on using ethtool.
> 
> The flows have also been confirmed to be configured correctly on Dell's Latitude
> and Precision CML systems containing the i219-LM controller, when the kernel also
> contains the fix for s0i3.2 entry previously submitted here and now part of this
> series.
> https://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev&m=160677194809564&w=2
> 
> Patches 4 through 7 will turn the behavior on by default for some of Dell's
> CML and TGL systems.

First of all thank you for working on this.

I must say though that I don't like the approach taken here very
much.

This is not so much a criticism of this series as it is a criticism
of the earlier decision to simply disable s0ix on all devices
with the i219-LM + and active ME.

AFAIK there was a perfectly acceptable patch to workaround those
broken devices, which increased a timeout:
https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/intel-wired-lan/patch/20200323191639.48826-1-aaron.ma@canonical.com/

That patch was nacked because it increased the resume time
*on broken devices*.

So it seems to me that we have a simple choice here:

1. Longer resume time on devices with an improperly configured ME
2. Higher power-consumption on all non-buggy devices

Your patches 4-7 try to workaround 2. but IMHO those are just
bandaids for getting the initial priorities *very* wrong.

Instead of penalizing non-buggy devices with a higher power-consumption,
we should default to penalizing the buggy devices with a higher
resume time. And if it is decided that the higher resume time is
a worse problem then the higher power-consumption, then there
should be a list of broken devices and s0ix can be disabled on those.

The current allow-list approach is simply never going to work well
leading to too high power-consumption on countless devices.
This is going to be an endless game of whack-a-mole and as
such really is a bad idea.

A deny-list for broken devices is a much better approach, esp.
since missing devices on that list will still work fine, they
will just have a somewhat larger resume time.

So what needs to happen IMHO is:

1. Merge your fix from patch 1 of this set
2. Merge "e1000e: bump up timeout to wait when ME un-configure ULP mode"
3. Drop the e1000e_check_me check.

Then we also do not need the new "s0ix-enabled" ethertool flag
because we do not need userspace to work-around us doing the
wrong thing by default.

Note a while ago I had access to one of the devices having suspend/resume
issues caused by the S0ix support (a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon gen 7)
and I can confirm that the "e1000e: bump up timeout to wait when ME
un-configure ULP mode" patch fixes the suspend/resume problem without
any noticeable negative side-effects.

Regards,

Hans









> 
> Changes from v2 to v3:
>  - Correct some grammar and spelling issues caught by Bjorn H.
>    * s/s0ix/S0ix/ in all commit messages
>    * Fix a typo in commit message
>    * Fix capitalization of proper nouns
>  - Add more pre-release systems that pass
>  - Re-order the series to add systems only at the end of the series
>  - Add Fixes tag to a patch in series.
> 
> Changes from v1 to v2:
>  - Directly incorporate Vitaly's dependency patch in the series
>  - Split out s0ix code into it's own file
>  - Adjust from DMI matching to PCI subsystem vendor ID/device matching
>  - Remove module parameter and sysfs, use ethtool flag instead.
>  - Export s0ix flag to ethtool private flags
>  - Include more people and lists directly in this submission chain.
> 
> Mario Limonciello (6):
>   e1000e: Move all S0ix related code into its own source file
>   e1000e: Export S0ix flags to ethtool
>   e1000e: Add Dell's Comet Lake systems into S0ix heuristics
>   e1000e: Add more Dell CML systems into S0ix heuristics
>   e1000e: Add Dell TGL desktop systems into S0ix heuristics
>   e1000e: Add another Dell TGL notebook system into S0ix heuristics
> 
> Vitaly Lifshits (1):
>   e1000e: fix S0ix flow to allow S0i3.2 subset entry
> 
>  drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/Makefile  |   2 +-
>  drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000.h   |   4 +
>  drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/ethtool.c |  40 +++
>  drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/netdev.c  | 272 +----------------
>  drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/s0ix.c    | 311 ++++++++++++++++++++
>  5 files changed, 361 insertions(+), 268 deletions(-)
>  create mode 100644 drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/s0ix.c
> 
> --
> 2.25.1
> 
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-07 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-04 20:09 Mario Limonciello
2020-12-04 20:09 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] e1000e: fix S0ix flow to allow S0i3.2 subset entry Mario Limonciello
2020-12-08 17:24   ` Mario Limonciello
2020-12-08 18:18     ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-12-04 20:09 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] e1000e: Move all S0ix related code into its own source file Mario Limonciello
2020-12-04 21:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-12-04 20:09 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] e1000e: Export S0ix flags to ethtool Mario Limonciello
2020-12-04 20:09 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] e1000e: Add Dell's Comet Lake systems into S0ix heuristics Mario Limonciello
2020-12-04 20:09 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] e1000e: Add more Dell CML " Mario Limonciello
2020-12-04 20:09 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] e1000e: Add Dell TGL desktop " Mario Limonciello
2020-12-04 20:09 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] e1000e: Add another Dell TGL notebook system " Mario Limonciello
2020-12-04 21:27 ` [PATCH v3 0/7] Improve s0ix flows for systems i219LM Alexander Duyck
2020-12-04 22:28   ` Limonciello, Mario
2020-12-04 22:38     ` Alexander Duyck
2020-12-05 23:49       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-12-06 17:32         ` Alexander Duyck
2020-12-07 13:28 ` Hans de Goede [this message]
2020-12-07 15:41   ` Limonciello, Mario
2020-12-08  5:08     ` Neftin, Sasha
2020-12-08  9:30       ` Hans de Goede
2020-12-08 16:14         ` Alexander Duyck
2020-12-08 22:29           ` Limonciello, Mario
2020-12-09 14:44           ` Hans de Goede
2020-12-10  2:24             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-12-10  5:28               ` Neftin, Sasha
2020-12-13  8:33                 ` Neftin, Sasha

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