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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Chris Down' <chris@chrisdown.name>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"pinskia@gmail.com" <pinskia@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 00/45] C++: Convert the kernel to C++
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:40:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d1e780dcb9854bd3be3699751272e077@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZZ_hhT6N9tqKuB2c@chrisdown.name>

From: Chris Down
> Sent: 11 January 2024 12:40
> 
> H. Peter Anvin writes:
> >We already *do* use constructors and *especially* destructors for a
> >lot of objects, we just call them out.
> >
> >Note that modern C++ also has the ability to construct and destruct
> >objects in-place, so allocation and construction/destruction aren't
> >necessarily related.
> >
> >There is no reason you can't do static initialization where possible;
> >even constructors can be evaluated at compile time if they are
> >constexpr.

But the compiler often doesn't - look at the generated code and marvel
at all the constructors for static items.
Oh yes, and all the destructors that pretty much always get called
in the wrong order leading to SIGSEGV on exit().
C++ programs pretty much have close all files and use _exit().

> Side note for the constructor and destructor discussion: should we be more
> widely marketing the __cleanup() infrastructure that Peter added a year or so
> ago? It likely helps a lot with at least some of these cases. In systemd we use
> __attribute__((cleanup)) pretty widely and my experience is that it's made the
> code a lot easier to both create and consume.

And harder for us 'old fogies' to quickly read for correctness.

IIRC some bugs got committed during some 'simple applications'
because of the real hoops you have to go through to correctly
tidy up a malloc()ed buffer that might be passed on.

I've seen the same issue with some C++ code that was like:
(Pardon my C++ :-)
	foo = new();
	try {
		add_foo_to_list(foo);
	} except {
		free(foo);
	}
The problem is that you have no idea whether the exception was
thrown before or after 'foo' was saved.
Since pretty much everything can 'throw' you really can't tell.
OTOH if add_foo_to_list() returns an error code you can know
(and check) that zero is returned iff the pointer has been saved.

Then there is function and class member overloading.
How may times have you renamed a structure member (etc) and used
the compiler to find out where it is used?
I'm pretty sure that is hard work in C++.

And don't forget the default copy constructor...

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-11 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-01 20:40 [PATCH 00/45] C++: Convert the kernel to C++ David Howells
2018-04-01 20:40 ` [PATCH 01/45] Use UINT_MAX, not -1, to represent an invalid UID, GID or project ID David Howells
2018-04-01 23:04   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-01 20:40 ` [PATCH 02/45] Fix exception_enter() return value David Howells
2018-04-05  1:34   ` Sasha Levin
2018-04-01 20:40 ` [PATCH 03/45] Fix loop var in be32_to_cpu_array() and cpu_to_be32_array() David Howells
2018-04-01 20:40 ` [PATCH 04/45] Fix use of ACPI_COMPANION_SET() David Howells
2018-04-01 20:40 ` [PATCH 05/45] C++: Set compilation as C++ for .c files David Howells
2018-04-02  6:10   ` kbuild test robot
2018-04-02  6:10   ` kbuild test robot
2018-04-03 13:16   ` David Howells
2018-04-03 13:27     ` Fengguang Wu
2018-04-10  8:44     ` David Howells
2018-04-10  9:45       ` Fengguang Wu
2018-04-11  1:13         ` Li, Philip
2018-04-01 20:40 ` [PATCH 06/45] C++: Do some basic C++ type definition David Howells
2018-04-02  4:37   ` kbuild test robot
2018-04-02  6:10   ` kbuild test robot
2018-04-01 20:40 ` [PATCH 07/45] C++: Define a header with some C++ type traits for type checking David Howells
2018-04-02  7:00   ` kbuild test robot
2018-04-01 20:41 ` [PATCH 08/45] C++: Implement abs() as an inline template function David Howells
2018-04-01 20:41 ` [PATCH 09/45] C++: x86: Fix the x86 syscall table production for C++ David Howells
2018-04-02  7:57   ` kbuild test robot
2018-04-01 20:41 ` [PATCH 10/45] C++: x86: Turn xchg(), xadd() & co. into inline template functions David Howells
2018-04-01 20:41 ` [PATCH 11/45] C++: x86: Turn cmpxchg() " David Howells
2018-04-01 20:41 ` [PATCH 12/45] C++: x86: Turn cmpxchg_double() " David Howells
2018-04-01 20:41 ` [PATCH 13/45] C++: x86: Turn cmpxchg64() " David Howells
2018-04-01 20:41 ` [PATCH 14/45] C++: x86: Turn put_user(), get_user() " David Howells
2018-04-01 20:41 ` [PATCH 15/45] C++: Need space between string and symbol David Howells
2018-04-01 20:41 ` [PATCH 16/45] C++: Disable VERIFY_OCTAL_PERMISSIONS() for the moment David Howells
2018-04-01 20:41 ` [PATCH 17/45] C++: Turn READ_ONCE(), WRITE_ONCE() & co. into inline template functions David Howells
2018-04-01 20:42 ` [PATCH 18/45] C++: Turn RCU accessors " David Howells
2018-04-01 20:42 ` [PATCH 19/45] C++: Turn ktime_add/sub_ns() " David Howells
2018-04-01 20:42 ` [PATCH 20/45] C++: init/main: Constify pointers David Howells
2018-04-01 20:42 ` [PATCH 21/45] C++: Set the type of atomic64_t to s64 David Howells
2018-04-01 20:42 ` [PATCH 22/45] C++: Define apic_intr_mode after the enum definition, not before David Howells
2018-04-01 20:42 ` [PATCH 23/45] C++: Don't do "extern asmlinkage" David Howells
2018-04-01 20:42 ` [PATCH 24/45] C++: Fix BUILD_BUG_ON_ZERO() David Howells
2018-04-01 20:42 ` [PATCH 25/45] C++: Fix void variables David Howells
2018-04-01 20:42 ` [PATCH 26/45] C++: Can't have variable/member names the same as typedef names David Howells
2018-04-01 20:42 ` [PATCH 27/45] C++: Disable __same_type() for the moment David Howells
2018-04-01 20:43 ` [PATCH 28/45] C++: Move ctx_state enum out of struct context_tracking David Howells
2018-04-01 20:43 ` [PATCH 29/45] C++: Move the print_line_t enum before first use David Howells
2018-04-01 20:43 ` [PATCH 30/45] C++: Include linux/hrtimer.h from linux/timer.h David Howells
2018-04-01 20:43 ` [PATCH 31/45] C++: Avoid using 'compl' and 'and' as names David Howells
2018-04-02  7:57   ` kbuild test robot
2018-04-01 20:43 ` [PATCH 32/45] C++: __to_fd() needs to reduce the size of v for struct fd::flags David Howells
2018-04-01 20:43 ` [PATCH 33/45] C++: Move irqchip_irq_state enum David Howells
2018-04-01 20:43 ` [PATCH 34/45] C++: Fix up use of LIST_POISON* David Howells
2018-04-01 20:43 ` [PATCH 35/45] C++: Fix static_branch_likely/unlikely() David Howells
2018-04-01 20:43 ` [PATCH 36/45] C++: Fix kernfs_type() int->enum David Howells
2018-04-01 20:43 ` [PATCH 37/45] C++: Fix page_zonenum() int->enum David Howells
2018-04-01 20:44 ` [PATCH 38/45] C++: mutex_trylock_recursive_enum() int->enum David Howells
2018-04-01 23:10   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-01 20:44 ` [PATCH 39/45] C++: Fix spinlock initialisation David Howells
2018-04-01 20:44 ` [PATCH 40/45] C++: Fix sema_init() David Howells
2018-04-01 20:44 ` [PATCH 41/45] C++: Cast in bitops David Howells
2018-04-02  6:10   ` kbuild test robot
2018-04-01 20:44 ` [PATCH 42/45] C++: Hide C++ keywords David Howells
2018-04-02  7:32   ` kbuild test robot
2018-04-01 20:44 ` [PATCH 43/45] C++: Don't need to declare struct pgd_t after typedef David Howells
2018-04-01 20:44 ` [PATCH 44/45] C++: Can't declare unsized-array in struct cgroup David Howells
2018-04-01 20:44 ` [PATCH 45/45] C++: Move initcall_level_names[] to __initdata section David Howells
2018-04-01 22:20 ` [PATCH 00/45] C++: Convert the kernel to C++ Randy Dunlap
2018-04-02  9:28 ` Vegard Nossum
2024-01-09 19:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-09 23:29   ` Andrew Pinski
2024-01-11 21:01     ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-01-10  0:29   ` David Howells
2024-01-10  8:58   ` Jiri Slaby
2024-01-10 13:04     ` Neal Gompa
2024-01-10 15:52       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-10 16:05         ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-10 16:25         ` Neal Gompa
2024-01-10 17:57           ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-01-12  2:23             ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-12  2:52               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-01-11  8:06       ` Andreas Herrmann
2024-01-10 15:01   ` Michael de Lang
     [not found]     ` <69fe1c0c-b5ec-4031-b719-d9c14742929c@metux.net>
2024-01-12 21:58       ` Michael de Lang
2024-01-11  4:24   ` John Hubbard
2024-01-11  5:09     ` Dave Airlie
2024-01-11 15:24       ` Eric Curtin
2024-01-11 21:37       ` David Laight
2024-01-11 12:39   ` Chris Down
2024-01-11 19:40     ` David Laight [this message]
2024-01-24  6:53       ` Jiri Slaby
2024-01-12  2:54   ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-12  8:52   ` David Howells
2024-01-12 23:53     ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-09 23:40 ` David Howells
2024-01-10  7:13   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2024-01-12  2:25   ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-12  2:40   ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-11 23:09 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-01-12  9:20 ` David Howells
2024-01-12 21:35   ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-01-12 23:41   ` David Howells
2018-04-01 21:32 Alexey Dobriyan
2024-01-11 10:56 Alexey Dobriyan
2024-01-11 10:58 ` Neal Gompa
2024-01-11 11:12   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2024-01-11 12:12   ` Andreas Herrmann

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