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From: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
To: "tj@kernel.org" <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: "jiangshanlai@gmail.com" <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	"mhocko@suse.com" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"juri.lelli@redhat.com" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"neilb@suse.de" <neilb@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH rfc] workqueue: honour cond_resched() more effectively.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 14:11:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d2c79d91e29134ef6184138de5fc856ca530d2a5.camel@hammerspace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201109140141.GE7496@mtj.duckdns.org>

On Mon, 2020-11-09 at 09:01 -0500, tj@kernel.org wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 01:50:40PM +0000, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > > I'm thinking the real problem is that you're abusing workqueues.
> > > Just
> > > don't stuff so much work into it that this becomes a problem. Or
> > > rather,
> > > if you do, don't lie to it about it.
> > 
> > If we can't use workqueues to call iput_final() on an inode, then
> > what
> > is the point of having them at all?
> > 
> > Neil's use case is simply a file that has managed to accumulate a
> > seriously large page cache, and is therefore taking a long time to
> > complete the call to truncate_inode_pages_final(). Are you saying
> > we
> > have to allocate a dedicated thread for every case where this
> > happens?
> 
> I think the right thing to do here is setting CPU_INTENSIVE or using
> an
> unbound workqueue. Concurrency controlled per-cpu workqueue is
> unlikely to
> be a good fit if the work can run long enough to need cond_resched().
> Better
> to let the scheduler handle it. Making workqueue warn against long-
> running
> concurrency managed per-cpu work items would be great. I'll put that
> on my
> todo list but if anyone is interested please be my guest.
> 

That means changing all filesystem code to use cpu-intensive queues. As
far as I can tell, they all use workqueues (most of them using the
standard system queue) for fput(), dput() and/or iput() calls.

-- 
Trond Myklebust
Linux NFS client maintainer, Hammerspace
trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com



  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-09 14:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-09  2:54 [PATCH rfc] workqueue: honour cond_resched() more effectively NeilBrown
2020-11-09  7:50 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-09  8:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-09 13:50   ` Trond Myklebust
2020-11-09 14:01     ` tj
2020-11-09 14:11       ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2020-11-09 16:10         ` tj
2020-11-17 22:16           ` NeilBrown
     [not found]           ` <20201118025820.307-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-11-18  5:11             ` NeilBrown
     [not found]             ` <20201118055108.358-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-11-19 23:07               ` NeilBrown
2020-12-02 20:20                 ` tj
     [not found]               ` <20201120025953.607-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-11-20  4:33                 ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                 ` <20201126100646.1790-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-11-26 23:44                   ` NeilBrown
2020-11-19 23:23           ` NeilBrown
2020-11-25 12:36             ` tj
2020-11-26 23:30               ` NeilBrown
2020-11-09 14:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-10  2:26       ` NeilBrown

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